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... don't forget how the Repubs are so good at voter suppression tactics:

Selective challenges of registration:
http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2008 ... news03.txt

Using foreclosure lists to challenge voter registration:
http://michiganmessenger.com/4076/lose- ... -your-vote

Anonymous fliers purporting arrest at the polls for unpaid tickets/warrants circulated in likely Obama strongholds:
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_up ... hoods.html

Neither side is beyond reproach, the dems have a history with ACORN, etc, and the Repubs have their history too.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=5399282

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/16105

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/07/ ... ecalls.va/

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp ... v=168XRvNe

I find it interesting that one side cheats to create votes and the other cheats to eliminate votes........not sure what that means, just an observation.
 

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Robert, I'm one of the last ones who would defend a major political figure, but I think there is a BIG difference between suppressing and creating, as you call it. On the surface it sounds like it would be a "wash"...but is it?

The first 2 examples you posted are just a vigilant attempt to keep voting within the rules. You might not like the tactices or intensity involed, but it appears it was all well within the bounds of law.

The 3rd example posted has to do with a totally unknown perpetrator(s).

And although #4, 5, 6 and 7 appear to involve a potential violation of the law (assuming the allegations are factual), they were 2 years ago (#4 was 6 years ago)...so I'm curious what the associated investigations turned up? Were there any arrests?

Like I said, I'm not about to defend these knuckleheads, but I don't think it's healthy to infer that aggressively monitoring where recently relocated voters cast their ballot is the same as physically relocating like-minded voters just prior to an election.

And if items 4-7 happened as reported, I really hope you can provide info on who went to jail.......because that's where they would belong.
 

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An editorial by John Bohlinger, Montana's Republican Lt. Governor:

http://www.mtstandard.com/articles/2008 ... jjigfj.txt

Republicans crossed line with voter purge attempt
Guest opinion
By John Bohlinger - 10/05/2008

Frank St. Pierre, of Anaconda, fought in World War II. He is one of the most decorated living veterans in America. And yet, on Wednesday, my party - the Montana Republican Party - tried to invalidate his voter registration because he lives in a county with a lot of Democrats. Incredible as this may sound to you, it is the truth.

When people ask why, as a Republican, I agreed to become part of a Democratic administration, I tell them that I believe in putting my state before my party. This has created tension at times. On occasion the folks who run the Republican Party have tried to lock me out of their convention, and this year they even tried to prevent me from speaking at the Presidential Primary Caucus in support of John McCain.

I have always taken this treatment in stride. As the saying goes, "All's fair in love, war and politics." But the executive director of the Republican Party crossed the line when he attempted to remove 6,000 voters from the rolls in Montana. These voters are law-abiding citizens and are legally registered. Some are veterans. Others are active servicemen, serving in Iraq and Afghanistan or about to be deployed there.

As a Republican, I was ashamed to hear of this. But as a Marine, I was outraged. Why would the Republican Party, which always claims to care greatly about our troops, do this?

It appears that Republican operatives looked to gain an advantage by purging as many voters as possible from counties that lean Democrat. The director of the Republican Party issued a blanket challenge to validly registered voters based on false criteria, trying to persuade election clerks that a mere change of mailing address is grounds for automatic cancellation of voter registration.

Not only was the effort blatantly deceptive, but the Republicans based their challenge on a national change-of-address database from an out-of-state vendor who sells personal information. Among other problems, this database lists servicemen and women who have been deployed overseas as having moved out of Montana. In other words, if you go to Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Fort Sill, Okla., to report for active duty, you have "moved out of the state" according to this list.

A significant number of the 6,000 voters targeted were servicemen, including Kevin Furey, a former state legislator from Missoula who left the legislature to serve in Iraq; Cindie Kalan-Green, who is also serving in Iraq; and Mathew Robison, who I am told has been deployed to Fort Drum.

Many were college students and elderly people. For example, Babe Aspholm, of Anaconda, an elderly man, simply moved across town from his house to a senior living center. The Republicans tried to void his registration. Tom Detonacour, a policeman from Deer Lodge County who simply bought a house in another county, also got targeted.

But worst of all is the legendary Frank St. Pierre, 86, also of Anaconda, who helped save thousands of allied troops at Dunkirk in World War II and has 10 Medals of Honor. St. Pierre, too, moved from one end of town to the other, and the Republicans tried to void his and his wife's registrations. I have a copy of the signed affidavits from the Republicans, declaring that Frank and Marilyn St. Pierre's voter registrations must be purged. An utter disgrace.

Beyond the outrageous lack of consideration for citizens, patriots and heroes, a significant burden and cost has been placed on county election administrators, public servants who work hard to ensure the integrity of our elections. They have been completely swamped by this scheme.

I am a Republican, and I will continue to be a Republican. But I am appalled at the leadership of my political party. I urge party elders to take action and promptly withdraw this outrageous effort to challenge the eligibility of legitimate voters, and to call for the removal any Republican Party employees responsible for this. This kind of activity has no place in a democracy. Finally, I would urge the voters of Montana whose registrations have been improperly challenged not to be discouraged by this unfortunate effort.

- John Bohlinger is Montana's lieutenant governor. He may be reached via e-mail at [email protected].
 

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Robert

It may have happenend I am skeptical of almost everything lately( most articles like this have arest of the story that is conviently left out) but that was written by the republican lt. governor according to you.

Now my point is this, the Dems especially in large urban areas with large populations of blacks and illegal mexicans do commit voter fraud to a very large degree and I've never heard any democrat politician take them to task over it.

In fact they fight every effort to clean up voting fraud with lame excuses like requireing a picture ID (something everyone has in our modern society) is somehow supressing the vote.

A total bogus argument.

compared to the Dems the Reps are saints on this issue.

Almost all politicians are scummy people in my opinon
 

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republican lt. governor according to you
It is plainly stated in the editorial, Bob. I even provided a link to the regional newspaper in which it was published. Given the nature of this forum, you should know that I am not going to make this stuff up. I'll save that for others.
 

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Bobm said:
republican lt. governor according to you
It is plainly stated in the editorial, Bob. I even provided a link to the regional newspaper in which it was published. Given the nature of this forum, you should know that I am not going to make this stuff up. I'll save that for others.
Sorry Robert I didn't mean what my post seems to say

I should of said according to your article. I didn't mean anything about you by that comment. I was clumsily saying that the article stated that a republican was taking republicans to task.

Thats something that I never see with Dems with the exception of Liberman who is the only one of them thats honest, and they have scorned him for it.
 

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The Montana Republican Party must have caught some flack over their actions:

http://www.kpax.com/global/story.asp?s=9142552

MT Republicans withdraw voter challenge

Posted: Oct 7, 2008 10:22 PM

Updated: Oct 8, 2008 09:51 AM

The Montana Republican party says they are withdrawing their challenge to almost 6,000 voter registrations.

As we first reported last week, Republicans notified several counties that they were challenging voter registrations whose addresses didn't match the U.S. Postal Service database.

Republican Party Executive Director Jacob Eaton said they were trying to guard against voter fraud. Challenged voters could have been forced to re-register or submit an affidavit proving their current address.

The maneuver drew criticism from state and county election officials who had to investigate the claims.

Nonpartisan voter rights groups said there was no proof of fraud in the state and said it was partisan-driven.

(from October 6, 2008)

The Montana Democratic Party filed a federal lawsuit to block Republicans from challenging the registrations of about 6,000 in-state voters.

Democrats say the GOP actions suppress voter turnout, while Republicans say the challenges preserve the integrity of the voting process. The suit seeks to stop Republicans from sending out affidavits asking voters to verity their current address.

Republicans challenged the eligibility of the voters in seven Democratic-leaning counties last week, including Missoula County. Democrats say the GOP actions suppress voter turnout, while Republicans say the challenges preserve the integrity of the voting process.

The suit seeks to stop Republicans from sending out affidavits asking voters to verity their current address.

Republicans challenged the eligibility of the voters in seven Democratic-leaning counties last week, including Missoula County.
 

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Heads are rolling in Montana.

http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2008 ... news03.txt

GOP executive director resigns
By CHARLES S. JOHNSON of the Missoulian State Bureau

HELENA - In an unusual move three weeks before the election and after a failed attempt to challenge voter registrations in some Democratic strongholds, the Montana Republican Party said Tuesday night it was changing executive directors.

Former state Rep. Larry Grinde of Lewistown was named the party's executive director after Jake Eaton resigned "to pursue other interests," the news release said.

"Larry brings a wealth of experience and knowledge on the job," state Republican Chairman Erik Iverson said in the news release. "He will be a tremendous asset to our candidates as we ramp up our get-out-the-vote operation for the final stretch of the campaign.
Grinde served 14 years in the Montana House, including eight as majority leader, and is the past chairman of the Republican Legislative Candidate Committee.

He helped run Mike Taylor's unsuccessful U.S. Senate campaign in 2002 and Pat Davison's unsuccessful primary race for governor in 2004. Two years later, Grinde supervised the Montana Republican Party's get-out-the-the-vote operation.

Iverson was unavailable for comment on the change. GOP spokesman Bridger Pierce said the party would have nothing to add beyond what was in the press release.

Last week, rumors were running rampant in political circles that Eaton would be pushed out because of the much-criticized effort to challenge voter registrations in seven heavily Democratic counties.

Reached by telephone Tuesday night, Eaton said, "It's all going to be all right. I'm going to work for an outfit, DNS Equity Consulting, a consulting and private equity firm in Madison, Wis. It's just one of those deals. The opportunity came up and I took it."

Asked if he was forced out as executive director because of the vote challenges, Eaton said, "No, I'm not going to talk about any of that stuff on the record."

Asked if he had intended to resign his GOP director's post three weeks before the election, he said "it was just an opportunity to come along."

The Montana Democratic Party jumped on the announcement to criticize Republicans for the voter challenges.

"After the efforts of the Republican Party to suppress the rights of 6,000 Montana voters, I think it was clear that a change in management was needed," state Democratic Party spokesman Kevin O'Brien said.

"However, this should not lead anyone to believe that Mr. Eaton was acting independent of his party's leadership. And it doesn't change the fact that the Montana Republican Party owes voters an explanation for why they attempted to undermine the democratic process and cost taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars in the process."

He was referring to the Montana Republican Party's challenge of the registrations of 6,000 voters in Missoula, Lewis and Clark, Silver Bow, Deer Lodge, Hill, Glacier and Roosevelt counties.

Republicans raised concerns with registered voters who live at addresses that differ from the addresses listed on their voter registration information. The party asked that county election officials have voters to prove their current addresses.

Montana Democrats, charging it was an attempt to suppress voter turnout, went to federal court to block the effort.

U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy of Missoula didn't rule in the case, but issued a strongly worded order blasting the Republicans.

"The timing of these challenges is so transparent that it defies common sense to believe the purpose is anything but political chicanery," Molloy wrote.

On Friday, Democrats dropped the lawsuit after Secretary of State Brad Johnson, a Republican, filed court documents saying similar voter challenges should be rejected in the future. The Republicans had withdrawn their challenges earlier last week.

Charles S. Johnson, chief of the Missoulian Newspapers State Bureau in Helena, can be reached at 1-800-525-4920, (406) 443-4920 or [email protected].
 

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The big difference is republicans get rid of their bad apples Dems hide them and close ranks around them to support them.

Like Congressman William J. Jefferson Democrat in Lousianna found with $90,000.00 cash in bribe money in his freezer and still gets
re elected. :eyeroll:

So goes the morals of the democrat electorate.

Or the Dem congress man in florida that replaced the with republican that was haveing sex with aides and was kicked out of office, now the dem is caught having a affair and making bribe payoffs yet you here no outcry from Democrats.
 
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