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As far as I know the us government is still operating under trumps declared national emergency which was put into effect a little over a year ago. The national emergencies act dictates such powers, procedures and requirements.

Of course the flu dropped, between the percentage of people masking, limitations on mass gatherings, and closures there was way less opportunity of transmission. Remember the flu is about 1/2 as infectious as COVID according to the data.

You guys seem more interested in conspiracy theories and false outrage more than anything. As far as I can see a handful of individuals have turned a vibrant outdoors website into a political drivel outrage outlet.

I will take my exit as it just isn't worth the effort and time to be involved in a debate where facts and truth do not matter.

Thank for all the reloading, hunting and fishing discussions over the years and I wish you all health and happiness. That was my reason for being here, and that basically no longer exists.
 

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SD...

YOu go right into blaming Trump for emergency orders. I asked how much longer do you think they will be going on? If they expire will the "passports then expire"?

You were the one who brought the emergency powers issue.

How about this.... you know in order to get a vaccine you need to show an ID... correct? Now if you are then required to show your "vaccine passport" isn't that racist. Since showing your ID to vote is considered Racist by many extreme liberals?

You see the hypocricy.

And I dont want you to leave at all. I am showing you holes in your thought process and the hyporcisy of it all.

Please show me where "facts" dont matter? Also you state that the flu cases dropped because of masks and social distancing.... THAT ISNT PROVEN YET.

Like I have stated and so has the CDC over and over again..... They dont have true numbers yet on all of the COVID related stuff and also with the "flu" this year because things were lumped into one big group. They also dont have the numbers because people didn't go to get checked out because of the "flu". Many people stayed home and didn't go in. Plus many false positive testing and also the "probable cause" of COVID....ie: you didn't have to test positive for covid to be grouped into covid....ie: you showed "covid" type sympthoms at one time...WHICH MANY FLU SYMPTHOMS ARE THE SAME..... YES these are the facts on how things got reported. They all errored on the side of caution... which is fine until you make it politicall. THAT IS THE ISSUE....

Then lets throw in the survival rate type stuff you talked about...1.5% or what ever.... hmmmm.... the CDC also keeps stating that they need to go thru those numbers as well. Was it COVID that killed someone or was it a car crash, cancer, heart issues, a stroke, etc. Because still as of today if you die and have a positive covid test... you are marked down as COVID DEATH. So all the numbers are not correct. This past year i know of 5 people who have passed all because their battle with Cancer wasn't working and they just had enough and stopped the treatments... .guess what... every single one of them tested positive for COVID.... yep. So on the death certificate (found out from family members) Covid is listed as one of the causes. So right there those are 5 deaths that should be taken off the "covid death numbers".... but are not yet because of how they are required to report things. This is the stuff the CDC needs to go thru and will in time.

YET our leaders want to make laws based on not accurate data. They want to make "passports" or "papers", they want to keep things shut down, they want to keep limits on what businesses can and cannot do, they want to CHANGE VOTING LAWS because of a one year pandemic and not accurate data.... They are making changes to our lives that could be forever on something they dont have all the data or the correct numbers yet. YOU SEE THAT IS THE ISSUE.
 

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Another little tangent (if you can tell this whole vaccine passport is getting to me)...

Many elected officials want to let people into this country. Now I dont care what your stance is on immigration. everyone can agree something needs to be done. But they dont want to vett these people. IE: right now they dont care if the people crossing the border have gotten the vaccine... or have tested NEGATIVE in the past 14 days.... or they are not even giving them the vaccine. But yet they want to make sure the citizens of the USA are carrying around a "passport" to show proof of vaccination? Does that make sense? Is that taking COVID seriously?

Who's rights are they really protecting??

Again this isn't about getting or not getting the vaccine. I have had my first shot and in two weeks get my second one. It is about the goverment over reaching and infringing on the rights of its citizens.

I keep bringing it up... but it needs to.... Remember HR1 and SR1 are two bills that are saying state voter ID laws are "racist", infringing on rights and/or voter suppression. YET some of the same elected officials that are for these bills are saying we need the vaccine passport. HOW IS THE PASSPORT NOT INFRINGING ON RIGHTS???? Also the same people who are totally for abortion and are the first ones to state.... your body your choice.... are the ones pushing this??? So is this saying that if you dont get the vaccination you will be "excluded" from certain activities???

God i hope you can see the hypocisy in all of this.

I mean our political spectrum is so blurred that people will not admit to these things and see how it is crazy when you say one thing is good and the other is bad when they do the exact same thing!!!!
 

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I think everyone understands Chuck, but many have become so partisan they can't, or refuse to admit it.

I'm always confused by people who don't start many threads in other forms, but partisipate in the political and hot topics. I'm also surprised that anyone would think hunters and gun owners would agreecwith the liberal spectrum of things. Further we don't compel anyone to read what they don't want to. I think I offend some when I point out that they are talking down to people. That technique isn't very successful.

Below is a policy about these things.

I'm getting a lot of PM's lately of people complaining of what's going on in the hot topics.

Keep in mind, all contraversial threads come here. If you don't want to read drama and that junk, don't come onto this forum.

If you're sick of RES/NR conversations, don't read this forum. This is where they're all being directed right now. People feel it's necessary to hijack every duck or goose thread and turn it into a debate.

So please don't complain to me about this forum. As they say, "if you can't take the heat stay out of the hot topics" or I think someone did anyway. :)
 

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I was thinking about partisanship as a problem with our liberal friends and I'll explain myself. If you remember all the times they were wrong about the Russia investigation, the Ukraine etc.? Were they angry with the people who lied to them and they believed it? No, they were angry at us for being right. Did they become warry of the liars? No they continued to post many false things. As for myself I don't like either party, and perhaps that's why I liked Trump. I often wonder if some of these people have some kind of dog in the fight.
 

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I was listening to Newsmax this evening and a constitutional professor or whatever he was described a vaccine passport as the beginning of tyranny. He explained that if they can do this nothing can stop them from going as far as they want.
 

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a constitutional professor or whatever he was described a vaccine passport as the beginning of tyranny. He explained that if they can do this nothing can stop them from going as far as they want.
That is 100% correct!!! And the reason why this bothers me so much.

What is next.... um for "public" safety... we need you to turn in all your guns. I know that is extreme but they could do it if they can get away with this "passport".

I know some will argue that if coming into this country you need it (if coming from certain countries mainly in africa). Or you need it when traveling abroad. CORRECT THAT IS VISITING A COUNTRY. The thing they are wanting to pass is you will need one to go to a concert, sporting event, on a plane or bus, possibly to the super market, etc. YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE... they are trying to possibly limit your everyday movements and FREEDOMS. THAT IS THE ISSUE.

Also to go off your post about how people got angry at the ones who were correct..... You see how SD went directly to "Trump is the one who did the emergency orders"..... I never once blamed a political party for that. I just asked "how long do you think we will be under these and if/when they expire will the vaccine passports as well?" But again... goes directly into blaming someone else and not answering the question. We got 4 years of people saying... Well Trump did this... or It is Trumps fault.... we already are seeing that...ie: Border. :eyeroll:
 

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Also to go off your post about how people got angry at the ones who were correct..... You see how SD went directly to "Trump is the one who did the emergency orders"..... I never once blamed a political party for that. I just asked "how long do you think we will be under these and if/when they expire will the vaccine passports as well?" But again... goes directly into blaming someone else and not answering the question. We got 4 years of people saying... Well Trump did this... or It is Trumps fault.... we already are seeing that...ie: Border. :eyeroll:
I also notice while whinning about politics and hot topics that they partake in they whine about the absence of rifle or hunting posts yet never start any. I would like to see more of those type of threads also, but when I have in the past they dont partisipate or even acknowledge they are reading it. I have been doing a lot of bullet casting for 9mm, 357 mag, 45 ACP, 44 mag, and 45/70. Also I have been working on accuracy and velocity of 223, 6.5 Grendel, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5x284, 308, and 300 win mag. Also subsonic loads to use with a suppressor. If anyone is truely interested I'll try again and post information. I suspect it was simply whinning, but perhaps there are observers who are actually interested and will speak up.

Edit: Chuck check this out. https://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/vi ... 0&t=183471
 

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Here is a cartoon that i saw floating around today.

It shows you what we are dealing with in todays world and some peoples logic. Again.... this isn't meant to be a dig on anyone but shows you how people think.

BTW... had a great talk with some Dem's over easter... we talked about "mask" mandates and what not. How many republicans act is BS and many others act is BS as well.

Here is an example and the people I talked with agreed with me.

Lets say a store owner has a sign up saying masks required. You walk in and don't put one on. You shouldn't be offended if someone asks you to put one on. Especially if it is an EMPLOYEE. If a random person asks you... you should just brush it off and walk away. Just like if the random person asks you to put it on and you ignore or brush it off and walk away... THAT PERSON SHOULDN'T follow you around and keep hammering you. The only people who should do that is the Employee's or owners. BECAUSE THAT IS THEIR JOB IF THEY WANT TO ENFORCE THAT RULE. But we also concluded that the non mask wearer who is saying... IT IS MY RIGHT... sure it is... but it is the business's right if they want you to wear one in their place of business. You can choose not to shop there or do business there.

So you see.... lots of people on either side have the exact same views on this stuff... it is the extreme idiots who make is worse. That is a dig on both sides.

Anyways here is the cartoon.

As always... do what you feel is right for you and your family with the vaccination or not.
 

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Well.... the vaccine "passport" crap is coming out right now....

I have read online where people are posting messages they have gotten from some gyms. Saying that they are now only allowing people into yoga classes "if they show that they have been vaccinated". Remember when some on here said that wouldn't happen.... or even that they welcomed it. :poke: :poke: :poke:

Here is my take and from what I have read some are doing.... THEY ARE CANCELLING THEIR MEMBERSHIPS. Like I have stated it is a right if a company or place wants you to do something. It is their right (this is debateable because of HIPPA laws) and then it is your right to either go to that place or not.

But just wanted to bring this back front and center.... BECAUSE IT IS HAPPENING PEOPLE. :puke:
 

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Pat Buchanan, Author

This is a Global Communist Takeover, one that Germany tried to prevent...
Chuck needs to do some reading. All Boomers do.

'We Defeated The Wrong Enemy"
-General George Patton
 

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I wonder about the Jews in WWII Germany. I suppose the first ones not knowing what was happening were compliant and led away like a sheep to slaughter.




They declared war ON Germany in 1933. Bankrupted her. Operated Porn and Transgender clinics.
Hitler put an end to all of that, and quickly. Germany went from Europes poorest to wealthiest in 3 years.
0 unemployment. 0 Crime. Abortion and Porn Banned. Vacations made mandatory. Gun laws lowered to 18.
Freemasonry Banned. Bankers fled for their lives- Rothschild arrested. It was a glorious time to be alive in Germany. New Birth records were set.
Meanwhile, millions starved to death in the US in the engineered Great Depression-wealth swindle.

Additionally, THEY were behind communism, which killed 66 million White Russian Christians.
So the question for Chuck is....is Communism jewish or not? Is it a Jewish construct? Who was behind it? Palestinians Muslims? Germans? Christians? Asians?....
 
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