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Apparently there are two groups of people in this country who are feeling really good right about now. One would be Barack Obama supporters. The other would be the US Communist Party. Seriously! The Communist Party headquarters in Manhattan says that "Marxist-Leninism's time has finally come," in light of the recent economic crisis.

One regional party chairman says, "We are very excited, we feel that we are at a turning point ... We can afford to be less on the defensive for the first time since Ronald Reagan, and we can say our word in rebuilding America on a new basis, rebuilding a better world, instead of one based on the greed of the few." Oh gawd, here we go with this "greed" nonsense.

There's another reason why the Communist Party is pumped ... they are working hard to get people to vote. Gosh, I wonder which candidate could have these Communists drooling. While the Communist Party has not officially endorses Obama for president,they are smarter than that (like all libs they cannot say what they really think or intend to do) a report from the Communist headquarters says that "many staff here wore his picture on lapel buttons, while Republican John McCain was relegated to a box of tissues -- the tissues being pulled through his mouth."

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i3X ... BNRspcdi2g
 

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Big deal. I am sure that the National Association of Abortion Clinic Bombers is excited about Palin too. Fringe is fringe, regardless of right or left. How relevant is the Communist Party anyways?
Good point Robert. They will be much more relevant with Obama. He IS a Marxist! Many people just don't what to admitt it.
 

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Big deal. I am sure that the National Association of Abortion Clinic Bombers is excited about Palin too. Fringe is fringe, regardless of right or left. How relevant is the Communist Party anyways?
:lol: Whats funny is Robert has to invent a fringe group :lol: :lol: the communists are real and support Obama
 

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I'm sure there's an organized group of Fascists somewhere that is not-so-secretly rooting for McCain. Fascists support nationalism, corporatism, totalitarianism, and militarism... Actually, the Klan supports a lot of Fascist ideals... I bet they're bummed McCain's behind. Therefore, McCain's a Klan member.

You guys really need to lay off the Red Scare Kool-Aid. Find me ONE instance where he's said that he believes that capitalism is institutional exploitation of the working class by the owners of the means of production. To believe that the guy is against capitalism is absolutely absurd.
 

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I'm sure there's an organized group of Fascists somewhere that is not-so-secretly rooting for McCain. Fascists support nationalism, corporatism, totalitarianism, and militarism... Actually, the Klan supports a lot of Fascist ideals... I bet they're bummed McCain's behind. Therefore, McCain's a Klan member.

You guys really need to lay off the Red Scare Kool-Aid. Find me ONE instance where he's said that he believes that capitalism is institutional exploitation of the working class by the owners of the means of production. To believe that the guy is against capitalism is absolutely absurd.
He absolutely undeniably is against captilism he has espoused marxist ideal and has spent his entirelife influenced by communists and anti capitalists thats factual history not some made up BS like " there a facist group somewhere" that supports John McCain
 

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Obama's Communist Mentor

AIM Column | By Cliff Kincaid | February 18, 2008

Is "coalition politics" at work in Obama's rise to power?

In his biography of Barack Obama, David Mendell writes about Obama's life as a "secret smoker" and how he "went to great lengths to conceal the habit." But what about Obama's secret political life? It turns out that Obama's childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.

In his books, Obama admits attending "socialist conferences" and coming into contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a "hard-core academic Marxist," which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004 U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.

However, through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."

The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations.

Trevor Loudon, a New Zealand-based libertarian activist, researcher and blogger, noted evidence that "Frank" was Frank Marshall Davis in a posting in March of 2007.

Obama's communist connection adds to mounting public concern about a candidate who has come out of virtually nowhere, with a brief U.S. Senate legislative record, to become the Democratic Party frontrunner for the U.S. presidency. In the latest Real Clear Politics poll average, Obama beats Republican John McCain by almost four percentage points.

AIM recently disclosed that Obama has well-documented socialist connections, which help explain why he sponsored a "Global Poverty Act" designed to send hundreds of billions of dollars of U.S. foreign aid to the rest of the world, in order to meet U.N. demands. The bill has passed the House and a Senate committee, and awaits full Senate action.

But the Communist Party connection through Davis is even more ominous. Decades ago, the CPUSA had tens of thousands of members, some of them covert agents who had penetrated the U.S. Government. It received secret subsidies from the old Soviet Union.

You won't find any of this discussed in the David Mendell book, Obama: From Promise to Power. It is typical of the superficial biographies of Obama now on the market. Secret smoking seems to be Obama's most controversial activity. At best, Mendell and the liberal media describe Obama as "left-leaning."

But you will find it briefly discussed, sort of, in Obama's own book, Dreams From My Father. He writes about "a poet named Frank," who visited them in Hawaii, read poetry, and was full of "hard-earned knowledge" and advice. Who was Frank? Obama only says that he had "some modest notoriety once," was "a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes during his years in Chicago..." but was now "pushing eighty." He writes about "Frank and his old Black Power dashiki self" giving him advice before he left for Occidental College in 1979 at the age of 18.

This "Frank" is none other than Frank Marshall Davis, the black communist writer now considered by some to be in the same category of prominence as Maya Angelou and Alice Walker. In the summer/fall 2003 issue of African American Review, James A. Miller of George Washington University reviews a book by John Edgar Tidwell, a professor at the University of Kansas, about Davis's career, and notes, "In Davis's case, his political commitments led him to join the American Communist Party during the middle of World War II-even though he never publicly admitted his Party membership." Tidwell is an expert on the life and writings of Davis.

Is it possible that Obama did not know who Davis was when he wrote his book, Dreams From My Father, first published in 1995? That's not plausible since Obama refers to him as a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes and says he saw a book of his black poetry.

The communists knew who "Frank" was, and they know who Obama is. In fact, one academic who travels in communist circles understands the significance of the Davis-Obama relationship.

Professor Gerald Horne, a contributing editor of the Communist Party journal Political Affairs, talked about it during a speech last March at the reception of the Communist Party USA archives at the Tamiment Library at New York University. The remarks are posted online under the headline, "Rethinking the History and Future of the Communist Party."

Horne, a history professor at the University of Houston, noted that Davis, who moved to Honolulu from Kansas in 1948 "at the suggestion of his good friend Paul Robeson," came into contact with Barack Obama and his family and became the young man's mentor, influencing Obama's sense of identity and career moves. Robeson, of course, was the well-known black actor and singer who served as a member of the CPUSA and apologist for the old Soviet Union. Davis had known Robeson from his time in Chicago.

As Horne describes it, Davis "befriended" a "Euro-American family" that had "migrated to Honolulu from Kansas and a young woman from this family eventually had a child with a young student from Kenya East Africa who goes by the name of Barack Obama, who retracing the steps of Davis eventually decamped to Chicago."

It was in Chicago that Obama became a "community organizer" and came into contact with more far-left political forces, including the Democratic Socialists of America, which maintains close ties to European socialist groups and parties through the Socialist International (SI), and two former members of the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), William Ayers and Carl Davidson.

The SDS laid siege to college campuses across America in the 1960s, mostly in order to protest the Vietnam War, and spawned the terrorist Weather Underground organization. Ayers was a member of the terrorist group and turned himself in to authorities in 1981. He is now a college professor and served with Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago. Davidson is now a figure in the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, an offshoot of the old Moscow-controlled CPUSA, and helped organize the 2002 rally where Obama came out against the Iraq War.

Both communism and socialism trace their roots to Karl Marx, co-author of the Communist Manifesto, who endorsed the first meeting of the Socialist International, then called the "First International." According to Pierre Mauroy, president of the SI from 1992-1996, "It was he [Marx] who formally launched it, gave the inaugural address and devised its structure..."

Apparently unaware that Davis had been publicly named as a CPUSA member, Horne said only that Davis "was certainly in the orbit of the CP [Communist Party]-if not a member..."

In addition to Tidwell's book, Black Moods: Collected Poems of Frank Marshall Davis, confirming Davis's Communist Party membership, another book, The New Red *****: The Literary Left and African American Poetry, 1930-1946, names Davis as one of several black poets who continued to publish in CPUSA-supported publications after the 1939 Hitler-Stalin non-aggression pact. The author, James Edward Smethurst, associate professor of Afro-American studies at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst, says that Davis, however, would later claim that he was "deeply troubled" by the pact.

While blacks such as Richard Wright left the CPUSA, it is not clear if or when Davis ever left the party.

However, Obama writes in Dreams From My Father that he saw "Frank" only a few days before he left Hawaii for college, and that Davis seemed just as radical as ever. Davis called college "An advanced degree in compromise" and warned Obama not to forget his "people" and not to "start believing what they tell you about equal opportunity and the American way and all that ####." Davis also complained about foot problems, the result of "trying to force African feet into European shoes," Obama wrote.

For his part, Horne says that Obama's giving of credit to Davis will be important in history. "At some point in the future, a teacher will add to her syllabus Barack's memoir and instruct her students to read it alongside Frank Marshall Davis' equally affecting memoir, Living the Blues and when that day comes, I'm sure a future student will not only examine critically the Frankenstein monsters that US imperialism created in order to subdue Communist parties but will also be moved to come to this historic and wonderful archive in order to gain insight on what has befallen this complex and intriguing planet on which we reside," he said.

Dr. Kathryn Takara, a professor of Interdisciplinary Studies at the University of Hawaii at Manoa who also confirms that Davis is the "Frank" in Obama's book, did her dissertation on Davis and spent much time with him between 1972 until he passed away in 1987.

In an analysis posted online, she notes that Davis, who was a columnist for the Honolulu Record, brought "an acute sense of race relations and class struggle throughout America and the world" and that he openly discussed subjects such as American imperialism, colonialism and exploitation. She described him as a "socialist realist" who attacked the work of the House Un-American Activities Committee.

Davis, in his own writings, had said that Robeson and Harry Bridges, the head of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) and a secret member of the CPUSA, had suggested that he take a job as a columnist with the Honolulu Record "and see if I could do something for them." The ILWU was organizing workers there and Robeson's contacts were "passed on" to Davis, Takara writes.

Takara says that Davis "espoused freedom, radicalism, solidarity, labor unions, due process, peace, affirmative action, civil rights, ***** History week, and true Democracy to fight imperialism, colonialism, and white supremacy. He urged coalition politics."

Is "coalition politics" at work in Obama's rise to power?

Trevor Loudon, the New Zealand-based blogger who has been analyzing the political forces behind Obama and specializes in studying the impact of Marxist and leftist political organizations, notes that Frank Chapman, a CPUSA supporter, has written a letter to the party newspaper hailing the Illinois senator's victory in the Iowa caucuses.

"Obama's victory was more than a progressive move; it was a dialectical leap ushering in a qualitatively new era of struggle," Chapman wrote. "Marx once compared revolutionary struggle with the work of the mole, who sometimes burrows so far beneath the ground that he leaves no trace of his movement on the surface. This is the old revolutionary 'mole,' not only showing his traces on the surface but also breaking through."
 

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I didn't know Joe McCarthy had a website... The "ties" are all guilt by association and hearsay. Being against capitalism would require being against private enterprise, not just hypothetically raising taxes and instituting a few social programs.

Do you really want to insinuate that because somebody likes you, you must agree with them? At that point, McCain must agree with Hagee... Remember that guy?
 

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I dont have to insinuate anything, they like him because he believes and espouses the socialist communist point of view.

Its just that straight forward and simple and he has many written and verbal proofs of that.

To me its remarkable that even when you can watch youtube vidoes of his marxist statements you will refuse to admit he is a marxist.
 

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Bobm, you are frozen in a cold war era. Look around. The Communist Party of USA is dead, because it lost its lifeline from the former Soviet Union. Your language is outdated.
Its not dead its morfed into our educational system. And Putin will try to revive it and then of course there is China....

Its lying in wait. :sniper:

Good to see you back on the froum though, I was wondering if you could provide some help on the greyhound thread :beer:
 

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BobM,
You put too much in your posts. The left has no attention span beyond 30 second sound bites. :D
Proven fact that once you bring up facts about Obama the thread turns to "Chicken little" and attacks on the messenger.

Here are some more facts:
Did you know that Mohamed Atta, the 9/11 ring leader, had a valid Florida driver's license?
Did you know 13 of the 19 hijackers had obtained valid driver's licenses? Armed with these licenses, eight of the hijackers even registered to vote!

Here is the shocking fact: Obama strongly supports giving illegal aliens in America driver's licenses.

He said as much during two Democratic debates earlier this year.

The head of Homeland Security said such thinking was dangerous for national security.

Even Hillary Clinton backed away from Obama's radical driver's license plan.

Obama's position is not a new one: Obama has been a major proponent of driver's licenses for illegals since his days as an Illinois state senator.

There is no doubt that, as president, Obama will also champion this radical plan.

With Osama bin Laden still at large, with al-Qaida promising "spectacular" attacks on the U.S homeland, with the threat of them using weapons of mass destruction against our cities - biological, chemical, and nuclear - can we risk putting such a man in the Oval Office?
Doesn't he remember what happened on 9/11? More than 3,000 Americans were murdered.

Doesn't he want to prevent that from ever happening again?

He supports driver's licenses for illegals;the answer is clear.
You either agree with the idea of "if it breathes, it votes" or you don't.
 

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Obama Had Close Ties to Top Saudi Adviser at Early Age

Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:58 PM

By: Kenneth R. Timmerman Article Font Size

New evidence has emerged that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was closely associated as early as age 25 to a key adviser to a Saudi billionaire who had mentored the founding members of the Black Panthers.

In a videotaped interview this year on New York's all news cable channel NY1, a prominent African-American businessman and political figure made the curious disclosures about Obama. (See Video Clip Below)

Percy Sutton, the former borough president of Manhattan, off-handedly revealed the unusual circumstances about his first encounter with the young Obama.

"I was introduced to (Obama) by a friend who was raising money for him," Sutton told NY1 city hall reporter Dominic Carter.

"The friend's name is Dr. Khalid al-Mansour, from Texas," Sutton said. "He is the principal adviser to one of the world's richest men. He told me about Obama."
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But al-Mansour's sponsorship of Obama as a prospective Harvard law student is important for another reason beyond his Islamic and anti-American rhetoric and early Black Panther ties.
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For Jesse Lee Peterson, founder of the Los Angeles-based Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny (BOND), these latest revelations about Obama's ties to Saudi financiers were an important wake-up call.

"To me, this opened up more questions about Barack Obama and his relationship to the Muslim world," Peterson told Newsmax.

"A lot of people are caught up with the emotional aspect of Barack Obama, the movie star aspect, the false promises that he's going to take care of everyone and their Mama."

But when the full story of Obama's ties to radical preachers such as Wright and to black Muslim leader Louis Farrakhan comes out, Peterson believes that Obama's star power will fade.

"I think there's more to this story and to Barack Obama than we realize," Peterson said. "As all the truth comes out before the election, I don't think he has a chance. I can't see American's taking that kind of risk."
For some reason, Obama has refused to release any information from his college days. (as well as all of his campaign contributors as McCain has done) Never has the USA had a presidential candidate with so little known about them.

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/obama_sutton_saudi/2008/09/03/127490.html?s=al&promo_code=692E-1
 

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I did notice that just today John McCain has started referring to Obama's intentions using the word "Socialist".

That is a very, very good stride for McCain to hit on and it's 100% truthful.
 

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Bobm said:
sevendogs said:
Bobm, you are frozen in a cold war era. Look around. The Communist Party of USA is dead, because it lost its lifeline from the former Soviet Union. Your language is outdated.
Its not dead its morfed into our educational system. And Putin will try to revive it and then of course there is China....

Its lying in wait. :sniper:

Good to see you back on the froum though, I was wondering if you could provide some help on the greyhound thread :beer:
Bobm, thank you for welcoming me. I know about marxism and communism more then any of you,because I emigrated from the former Soveit Union 30 years ago. I was taught it in school (not by my choice). Communism is dead. Islamic fanatics are a major threat to civilized world, not communism. Putin and Russia are not communists any more, this is a major important change in the world. Even in China it is living its last sighs. By the way, our President put us in embarassing position by borrowing a lot of money from China (!?) Are you not afraid? I am scared, indeed.
 

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By the way, our President put us in embarassing position by borrowing a lot of money from China (!?) Are you not afraid? I am scared, indeed.
Just like fannie & freddie are Bush's fault too?

Gimme a break!
 

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In an interview published in 1995, Ayers characterized his political beliefs at that time and in the 1960s and 1970s: "I am a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist … [Laughs] Maybe I'm the last communist who is willing to admit it. [Laughs] We have always been small 'c' communists in the sense that we were never in the [Communist] party and never Stalinists. The ethics of Communism still appeal to me. I don't like Lenin as much as the early Marx. I also like Henry David Thoreau, Mother Jones and Jane Addams […]"
 

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Sevendogs I always enjoy your posts and your point of view. :beer:
 
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