Hunted SD again Sun and Mon. bagged 36 of em. when I got back to the motel on Sun. another group from MN had got back to their room too with quite a few birds. then when I went out Mon morning I noticed that they left all their birds on the front step of their room as they went hunting again. Then when I came back they were already back with another bunch of birds that they threw on the pile.Then I went out in the evening for the last try and when I came back to the room I noticed that the owner of the motel was throwing the birds in her dumpster because the other hunters had checked out and left without their bird and she said they had left them out in the hot sun all day plus the night before and they were rotting already. Now I don't know if this is a common practice but I feel it is a complete waste of game! If I knew they were going to just dump their kill and leave I woul have been happy to take them and clean them for my own use! It is acts like this that just piss me off when I see this stuff happen!!! Just sharing my thouts!! :******: :******: :******: :******:
Such a waste!!!!
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I have witnessed this kind of thing very rarely..its reminiscent of what we did to the buffalo in the nineteenth century. If I see it occuring I don't hesitate to stand up for what is right and speak directly to the culprits. One recent group of visitors here ducked out early without paying their bill andleft quite pile of northern pike. Fortunately it was below zero so they weren't spoiled. I thawed them and cleaned them. My wife and I smoked them and pickled them and we just opened a jar today. It will be catch and release for me for a while... Also.. I'm glad to here you were able to get some birds. I haven't brought enough in close enough. Perhaps this snow will knock them down where I can get at some.
This is why ND needs to really crack down on Hunters like this - I know residents do stupid things But you can go to alot of sites from other states & see folks bragging about shooting hundreds of Birds while in ND.
My expirence with NR's showed alot of them want to shoot & shoot & shoot anything that flys by - & then only attempt to retrieve the mallards & other select birds.
I wish ND would have a year that it could really crack down & catch alot more of these people - Sure one or two Big Busts gets the publicity - But if they could spread out & catch more & make it public - It would be great to let the SLOBS know ND does not put up with their kind.
But in order to even put a dent into enforcement - they need more money & wardens & the Help (& eyes) of all responsible Hunters. It time to reward & praise those that can assist Law Enforcement in catching these lawbreakers. Make it a thing of Pride & make good hunters feel it is a good thing to report abuse.
Not just ignore or cover up for them - all that does is say its OK :roll:
Does the G&FD ask local police & Sherrifs to assist them during hunting season - do the USFW & State G&FD really work together ??? All season or do they just do a few Hwy game checks together ???
My expirence with NR's showed alot of them want to shoot & shoot & shoot anything that flys by - & then only attempt to retrieve the mallards & other select birds.
I wish ND would have a year that it could really crack down & catch alot more of these people - Sure one or two Big Busts gets the publicity - But if they could spread out & catch more & make it public - It would be great to let the SLOBS know ND does not put up with their kind.
But in order to even put a dent into enforcement - they need more money & wardens & the Help (& eyes) of all responsible Hunters. It time to reward & praise those that can assist Law Enforcement in catching these lawbreakers. Make it a thing of Pride & make good hunters feel it is a good thing to report abuse.
Not just ignore or cover up for them - all that does is say its OK :roll:
Does the G&FD ask local police & Sherrifs to assist them during hunting season - do the USFW & State G&FD really work together ??? All season or do they just do a few Hwy game checks together ???
Actually there is a way to stop any over-harvesting.When I lived in Minn in the 60's and hunted in SE No. Dak we recieved a book of tags.They were the peel off kind like our deer tags, and we had to attach them to the leg.I think we recieved something like 15 duck tags and about that many goose tags.When they were all used up you were finished hunting.
It was a pain,but it would stop people from shooting a limit 5-6 days in a row.
It was a pain,but it would stop people from shooting a limit 5-6 days in a row.
Ken,
I could see how that would affect the honest/ethical hunters but the slobs who only want to see how many they can kill would probably leave their birds in the field instead of at the motel.
The wardens do their best but they are stretched thin. I think it is up to us to police ourselves--report game violations and weed out the 5% that give us all a bad name.
I could see how that would affect the honest/ethical hunters but the slobs who only want to see how many they can kill would probably leave their birds in the field instead of at the motel.
The wardens do their best but they are stretched thin. I think it is up to us to police ourselves--report game violations and weed out the 5% that give us all a bad name.
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FACE,
Call the hotel, and get their information. Than call:
1-800-472-2121 (RAP - Report all Poachers) and turn them in.
They have to live and learn, or these jokers will continue to taint the views of hunter/fishermen.
Call the hotel, and get their information. Than call:
1-800-472-2121 (RAP - Report all Poachers) and turn them in.
They have to live and learn, or these jokers will continue to taint the views of hunter/fishermen.
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Hope some of you will come as my guest and share your views while we walk around town and pick up the trash that is exposed by the spring thaw. I encourage folks to be part of the solution as we model upright behaviour. Just finshed a stick of smoked northern. Change i spirit happens one person at a time.
Face
I hate to say it but you and the hotel owner are as much to blame as the hunters who wasted the birds.
It is your responsibility to call the warden and tip line when you see these things as a hunter and a citizen.
It is not any different than people complaining about habitat loss or gun bans and they don't belong to DU/Delta or the NRA.
If you saw a man slap his wife would you not step in?
These guys slapped the face of every ethical hunter.
I hate to say it but you and the hotel owner are as much to blame as the hunters who wasted the birds.
It is your responsibility to call the warden and tip line when you see these things as a hunter and a citizen.
It is not any different than people complaining about habitat loss or gun bans and they don't belong to DU/Delta or the NRA.
If you saw a man slap his wife would you not step in?
These guys slapped the face of every ethical hunter.
That is just ridiculous behavior. If these people want to call themselves hunters they have to be a hunter. As we all know hunting involves a lot more than going out in the field pursuing our game of choice. If they just like shooting i suggest they get into sporting clays. It's those few unethical/irresponsable people that can turn many people off from hunting.
Goose haven.......the back of my pickup
Goose haven.......the back of my pickup
:lost: FATTIRE: real slick move jumping to conclusions and placing blame when you don' know anything about the situation idiot! FYI...I did call the TIP hotline and reported the violation and gave all the pertinent info that I could and they were glad I called. they are contacting the motel manager to find out any more info that they can get! So I feel I did as much as I could and what I should. Had I known they were ggoing to waste game I would have handled the situation differently.As for what the motel manager did at that time, I don't know, I had to get home. But if you know she did nothing then you are a freakin' genious! After all as I mentioned in my post I was just sharing my view as to how STUPID AND WASTEFUL THAT SOME SO-CALLED HUNTERS ARE!!!
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One thing you have to keep in mind is the only illegal thing they did was litter. Wanton waste only states you have to retrieve them after that even though we may not like it they can do what ever they want with them.
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I am very happy you called the tip line and getting in someone's face is not always the answer or safest thing to do.
I wrongly assumed (*** out of you and me) you did not call because you did not mention it in your post that you had taken any action.
I don't know about ND but in ID, CO and AK it is illegal to waste the meat of a game bird or big game animal. If you are packing out big game you better take the ribs or you can be ticketed in Colorado, Idaho or AK. In Colorado If you breast a goose or duck and leave the legs you can be ticketed.
So I don't know what the law is in ND but in CO, ID and AK I know that you must make an attempt to find shot game and to recover all reasonable meat from the dead animal.
I hope they catch those guys with your call Face.
Happy hunting
I am very happy you called the tip line and getting in someone's face is not always the answer or safest thing to do.
I wrongly assumed (*** out of you and me) you did not call because you did not mention it in your post that you had taken any action.
I don't know about ND but in ID, CO and AK it is illegal to waste the meat of a game bird or big game animal. If you are packing out big game you better take the ribs or you can be ticketed in Colorado, Idaho or AK. In Colorado If you breast a goose or duck and leave the legs you can be ticketed.
So I don't know what the law is in ND but in CO, ID and AK I know that you must make an attempt to find shot game and to recover all reasonable meat from the dead animal.
I hope they catch those guys with your call Face.
Happy hunting
Dean is right - some states do have the wording about consuming - but not most - I had this confirmed by a supervisor of the G&FD - My question was if I could save (freeze a few birds) to use for dog training. Obvisously I was not going to eat them after that.
I just don't get the bringing them in - to show off ??? & then just dump em - Breasting them only takes a minute - Or give them away
I just don't get the bringing them in - to show off ??? & then just dump em - Breasting them only takes a minute - Or give them away
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If SD's WW laws are comparable to ND, Dean and Fetch are right they did nothing illegal (unethical is another story). Breasting wasn't a LEGAL option either because of the transport laws.
I intentionally didn't bring this topic up during the session, as it seemed inflamatory, but I'm told similar instances throughout the duck belt in ND each fall are very common. With a two-day possession limit, and only so many ducks that can be eaten or given away, I've heard that wardens regularly run into dumpsters containing a substantial number of whole birds. That was one of the shortcomings of 1307, with it's 10 day seasons. Nonresidents and wardens hate them, but bringing back the tags would help these situations.
I intentionally didn't bring this topic up during the session, as it seemed inflamatory, but I'm told similar instances throughout the duck belt in ND each fall are very common. With a two-day possession limit, and only so many ducks that can be eaten or given away, I've heard that wardens regularly run into dumpsters containing a substantial number of whole birds. That was one of the shortcomings of 1307, with it's 10 day seasons. Nonresidents and wardens hate them, but bringing back the tags would help these situations.
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I would be all for taging birds, its any easy way to keep track of how many birds a guy shoots a year.
DAN
although there may be a two limit posseion limit it still doesnt allow the taking of more than a daily limit per day. if the limit is a 10 day season then 60 would be the max no. of birds(ducks) allowed so what is the point of throwing away birds? just to keep hunting(or shooting birds)? when i hunt i'll have my two day possesion and if i can't consume them all then i gift them to my not hunting wife or son-which is perfectly legal according to the feds. and then maybe end up with another two days possession. but never harvesting more than any daily limit.so if i were hunting a 10 day stretchwith my wife and son at the hotel i could have taken all 60 birds providing 14 were consumed. According to the fed. officer i talked with a person could be cited for leaving birds or throwing away edible meat so they may shoot more birds. As for keeping birds for dog training such as waterfowl, the birds kept for that purpose count towards possession limit.the fed mentioned to me that throwing away nonedible meat such as gangrene or spoiled meat is not ww. but throwing away usable meat was.i like hunting birds as much as the next guy but come on something should be done to that kind of person. it affects everything from bird population to non or anti-hunters views,and gives activists alot of fuel for their never ending fight to abolish hunting.
although there may be a two limit posseion limit it still doesnt allow the taking of more than a daily limit per day. if the limit is a 10 day season then 60 would be the max no. of birds(ducks) allowed so what is the point of throwing away birds? just to keep hunting(or shooting birds)? when i hunt i'll have my two day possesion and if i can't consume them all then i gift them to my not hunting wife or son-which is perfectly legal according to the feds. and then maybe end up with another two days possession. but never harvesting more than any daily limit.so if i were hunting a 10 day stretchwith my wife and son at the hotel i could have taken all 60 birds providing 14 were consumed. According to the fed. officer i talked with a person could be cited for leaving birds or throwing away edible meat so they may shoot more birds. As for keeping birds for dog training such as waterfowl, the birds kept for that purpose count towards possession limit.the fed mentioned to me that throwing away nonedible meat such as gangrene or spoiled meat is not ww. but throwing away usable meat was.i like hunting birds as much as the next guy but come on something should be done to that kind of person. it affects everything from bird population to non or anti-hunters views,and gives activists alot of fuel for their never ending fight to abolish hunting.
Another thought.....don't you all feel that if tthey started coming out with tags for the birds that SOME people would just shoot and leave or fail to tag them? remember most of us police ourselves when it comes to the regs. with all the hunting i take on i might get checked by a warden once during the fall and that is for all hunting! those breaking the rules tend to do so because they know that the chances of being checked is really slim. so remember report anything that doesen't seem right whether unethical or outright illegal! let the warden sort it out. after all it is their job.and they like hearing from us!
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