I have decided to switch to KENT FASTEEL for all of my 12 guage hunting needs. I have found that the 2 3/4 shells in 4 shot (for all ducks,pheasant,and grouse) have had the best knock-down and pattern of any other loads I have tried. One reason is the accurate 1450 fps, other could be shooting ability too. I only shoot Berretas. Skeet to Imp. Cyl. are my tubes of choice for the 4 shot. Depending on conditions. For all goose hunts I have chosen Kents 2 3/4 bb loads (1450 fps-2 3/4, the 3 in. shells have only 4 to 5 more pellets and are 50 fps slower. my experience...speed kills!) for goose I use my al390 equipped with a Patternmaster choke tube and havent had anything but excellent results!!! The only other loads going through my guns are rem premier 28 guage for the skeet range and Arizona Mearns quail hunts. then for other quail and dove hunts -in Arizona- Ipick up the 100 round boxes of 20 guage and 12 guage shells at Wal-mart for around $15.00 box.When hunting AZ I harvest a lot of birds and these "cheeper" shells work wonders! PROFILE=I grew up in AZ so my passion is hunting the three desert quail species. the wonderful waterfouling ops. and of course :sniper: fox,coyote,mountain lion, and bobcat hunting with the 22-250. Which I make a trip to every fall for about two weeks. But now I am here in the midwest(Minnesota) enjoying the wonderful ops to hunt the bounty here!! thanks all! Mike"FACE" :beer: