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Website for kids unable to vote.

We need change - blind loyalty?????

Do's & Don'ts

Do share your personal reasons for voting for Barack Obama;

Do have confidence - your opinion matters to people who care about you;

Do read up on Barack's positions on the issues you know matter to them;

Do find a good time when both you and they will be open to a conversation;

Do talk to them in person if you live nearby, or on the phone if you don't;

Do ask your friends to talk to their parents and grandparents as well;

Don't worry about knowing everything about policy positions before you have this conversation;

Don't feel defensive. Stay calm, cool and collected;

Don't wait until the last minute - it might take a few conversations for you to convince them, so start as early as possible;

Don't catch them at a bad time - make sure you have their attention and enough time to have a conversation.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/thetalk

Does Hitler youth come to mind?

Should we accept this?

What if McCain/Palin had this page?
 

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the other thing you have to ask yourself....think about it folks, why would a guy running for President mass market himself to children?? :eek:

easy, after 8 years, he will be running for world leader...revelations folks, revelations. there is no other logical explanation for the support and bizarre behavior of No-bama...the Messiah has come....
 

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easy, after 8 years, he will be running for world leader...revelations folks, revelations. there is no other logical explanation for the support and bizarre behavior of No-bama...the Messiah has come....

i wonder if plainsman, bobm, justanotherdog and others share your opinions on world domination and to what extent. this seems like crazy talk to me, i mean to the extent of how do you type in a strait jacket? I haven't seen the others go quite as far as hunter9494 in their conspiracies.... just curious if everyone feels that Obama is trying to take over the world too?
 

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I like how you think I owe you a justification for my beliefs... I have questions to answer? Here's a teaser about one of the reasons...I would like to see this war done with, and that won't happen with mccain. If you think I'm going to write you a paper on every reason I'm voting for Obama and every reason I don't like McCain, you are sorely mistaken. most of my posts on here get flipped to something completely irrelevant from the main topic and that is what happened with that post....sevendogs wrote about his beliefs knowing damn well you guys were going to rip him to shreads for it. and then all of a sudden it became a thread that liberals had to justify their choices to justanotherdog and others. I come on the politics forum to see others opinions and to put mine out there... not to be called out to explain my reasoning for my beliefs.
 

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I like how you think I owe you a justification for my beliefs... I have questions to answer? Here's a teaser about one of the reasons...I would like to see this war done with, and that won't happen with mccain. If you think I'm going to write you a paper on every reason I'm voting for Obama and every reason I don't like McCain, you are sorely mistaken. most of my posts on here get flipped to something completely irrelevant from the main topic and that is what happened with that post....sevendogs wrote about his beliefs knowing damn well you guys were going to rip him to shreads for it. and then all of a sudden it became a thread that liberals had to justify their choices to justanotherdog and others. I come on the politics forum to see others opinions and to put mine out there... not to be called out to explain my reasoning for my beliefs.
It's mainly because you can't come up with legitimate reasons. He is very much unknown and all we hear is talking points, not justification to his policies. He hides his true beliefs and is evident by his constant changes and how he says one thing to one group and something completely different to another. Do you really think he will end this war sooner? I doubt it. He still doesn't believe the surge worked and if he really did try to stall the success there, he is truly misguided. For some reason you believe you should be able to state your beliefs and that it is beyond reproach while you try to tear apart others. It's the usual left tactic, poor me they will gang up on me or they just don't understand because I am so much smarter than them attitude.
 

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I like how you think I owe you a justification for my beliefs... I have questions to answer? Here's a teaser about one of the reasons...I would like to see this war done with, and that won't happen with mccain. If you think I'm going to write you a paper on every reason I'm voting for Obama and every reason I don't like McCain, you are sorely mistaken. most of my posts on here get flipped to something completely irrelevant from the main topic and that is what happened with that post....sevendogs wrote about his beliefs knowing damn well you guys were going to rip him to shreads for it. and then all of a sudden it became a thread that liberals had to justify their choices to justanotherdog and others. I come on the politics forum to see others opinions and to put mine out there... not to be called out to explain my reasoning for my beliefs.
Listen I'm all for ending the war as soon as possible. No one wants to be in war. But the point is, regardless of how and why we are there we are in it. If we pull out all out troops without securing Iraq it will leave an open door for the insurgents to walk back in and take over. That mean all the blood our American Men and Women shed over in Iraq will be for naught. Believe me I hate war. I am also in great fear if Obama get is. The reason is exactly what Biden said and I have been saying all along. Obama WILL BE tested. I feel it will be more than once. If he responds weakly we are all in a heap of trouble. I truly don't think either candidate will be able to fix the economy in 4 years. It's to mess up at this point. But there is a great deal going on in this world. Just today N Korea threatened to turn the South to debris. We need a leader that is strong in foreign affairs. Obama is NOT him. I'm not trying to bash you. I respect your beliefs. To be honest I wouldn't be as apprehensive about the future of the country it was Hillary against McCain. McCain would still, reluctantly, get my vote. But between Obama and Hillary I would be much more comfortable with her in office.
 

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most of my posts on here get flipped to something completely irrelevant from the main topic and that is what happened with that post....
Since when is posting news clips, or videos, showing the lack of substance, some coming directly from Obama or o'Biden themselves, flipping your posts? In fact, using Obama & o'Biden to counter their own claims is getting so old that we were just wondering what Obama has ever accomplished that would render him fit for the presidential office. Simple question. Not asking for your opinion, just facts that would show any accomplishment by the Obama/o'Biden ticket. I'm pretty sure we're going to hear about Palin instead instead of any of their accomplishements, but we can always ask.

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willythekid said:
hunter9494:
easy, after 8 years, he will be running for world leader...revelations folks, revelations. there is no other logical explanation for the support and bizarre behavior of No-bama...the Messiah has come....

i wonder if plainsman, bobm, justanotherdog and others share your opinions on world domination and to what extent. this seems like crazy talk to me, i mean to the extent of how do you type in a strait jacket? I haven't seen the others go quite as far as hunter9494 in their conspiracies.... just curious if everyone feels that Obama is trying to take over the world too?
As long as you brought it up here is my answer. I hope your serious and not just throwing the radical card thinking it will replace logic.

I remember Albright saying that Clinton would make a good world President. She mentioned it two or three times. I wouldn't give this any passing thought if some of our leaders had not already made comments like this.
At first glance it looks extreme to think like this. Some will be accused of being Christian and thinking he is the anti Christ. People have thought that many times in history, and unfortunately it's like the old story of crying wolf. When it does happen no one will believe it.
One of Bush Sr. phrases that I don't like is "new world order". I see Bush Jr. has used the phrase too. Also, if liberals were not so in love with the United Nations I would not worry. I shouldn't say I worry, or necessarily believe it will happen soon, but to much has been said to discount it.
The thing is I think it will eventually come. I think the United Nations is always struggling to further it's influence.
Often it would appear liberals are willing to relinquish some of our sovereignty to the United Nations. Obama has a bill on world poverty that would give hundreds of billions to the United Nations, and perhaps allow them to levy a tax on us. He will support the United Nations for the world ban on small arms.
If Clinton was given the chance of being president of the United Nations I think he would have taken it. If Obama was given the chance I think he would take it. It's not inperceivable to see the world moving this way. All nations are becoming more socialist. In our quest for world peace we may fall victim to accepting world government. It's not a big jump from there to a world leader.
Do I think it will be in my life time? I don't think so, but I think we are close. We could accelerate that process with a liberal president and a liberal congress. I think the thing to watch is redistribution of wealth and gun control. These are only two things are the canary that will warn us of poison in the system.
Will it happen soon, not likely. Will it happen in the future, nearly certain. The only thing that would throw it off track is WWIII. As long as the majority of Americans are proud of this nation it will not happen. When the majority of Americans look up to other nations and the United Nations it will happen. It will require that most Americans become disgusted with their own country, not just admire others. It will also require that we fight so much among ourselves (democrat / republican) that we do not see what our elected officials are really doing.
 

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I think Hitler would liked to have taken over the world. World government was not possible in the primitive world, but they tried. Rome tried to dominate the known world. Many war like nations have tried, but not the entire world. The entire world first became possible in the early 1900's.
Today with many rogue nations trying to acquire nuclear power what will the rest of the world do? It's not hard to see that many nations will ban together under the United Nations and try force their will upon these rogue nations.
All religion and politics aside I still see the possibility of everyone buying into a one world government to try keep everyone from nuking ourselves back into the stone age. It would be a better idea for everyone to mind their own business, but human nature tells me that will not happen.
I don't think the vision of one world government is necessarily religious fanaticism, political fanaticism, or any other radical label you want to give it. I think the world will move that way in an attempt to preserve themselves from a nuclear holocaust. It may be many years in the future, but I'm sure it will happen. Trying to pin the radical label on hunter9494 for thinking such is simply attacking the messenger because you can not refute the idea.
 

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and i could be completely wrong too...my point is simple. No-bama is moving right on past the goal of being President of the US and is engaged in a brainwashing campaign aimed at world appeal and positioning himself for a shot at world leadership, world government. the disgusting battle between repubs and dems seems almost staged at times, with a predetermined out come and result intertwined in the actions of the parties. would this be a conspiracy? hell yes....have we seen them before?
i will let everyone decide for themselves, but this smells a lot bigger than anything i have ever seen before....

i have never seen anything that scares me more than this new "citizen of the world" as leader of our country. we are being lead down the primrose path, let's hope we can stop the march before we hit the edge of the cliff.

when you hear of government deciding the controls over health care, pensions and 1st and 2nd Amendment rights being decided for the good of the people, you should be close to panic....we can stop it, but we have to be smart enough to ban together and repress the movement and not act like lambs going to slaughter!

if we can't stop it or don't, it was meant to be...
 
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