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I have been looking for a new lab pup and I have a few questions for the experts out there;

1.) Why are all the labs so large and blocky these days? Is that by design due to demand?

2.) What the hell is a silver lab? Is that just a recessive gene of a chocolate? Good or bad to have a recessive gene on an already recessive chocolate gene?

3.) Any info one a kennel/breeder that consistently produces smaller (50-60lbs) labs?

Thanks in advance guys.
 

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Definitely NOT an expert - but as to your fist question - seek out British Labs, they are smaller by design - or so I've read. Our two are of British decent and are smaller than the average lab.
 

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djleye said:
I have been looking for a new lab pup and I have a few questions for the experts out there;

1.) Why are all the labs so large and blocky these days? Is that by design due to demand?

2.) What the hell is a silver lab? Is that just a recessive gene of a chocolate? Good or bad to have a recessive gene on an already recessive chocolate gene?

3.) Any info one a kennel/breeder that consistently produces smaller (50-60lbs) labs?

Thanks in advance guys.
1) lots of people with unhealthy dogs + the british lab fad probably has something to do with it. Maybe its just the dogs you have been around as well.

2) Silver lab = joke, marketing scheme to get more $$ for a pup. Bad for the breed

3) I dont know of any breeder that specializes in smaller labs. All you can do is look for lab pups with parents with the build you are looking for. 60 lbs is still pretty common, especially in females.

I posted this on the baitpile last night, if I were in the market for a dog Id give this one a very serious look. Really nice pedigree, gorgeous looking dog, and for how much work she has into her, the price isn't bad.

http://topshelfretrievers.homestead.com/Star.html

 

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US pretty much hit it all right on the head.

Regarding the Silver Lab fad that some breeders specialize in, it's a crock of what comes out of the back side of a lab. Generally those that identify with that color have no idea on the true colors of labs and what can be produced. Most of those if researched enough you'll find a Weim in the closet somewhere or the papers were faked when that other breed was brought into the picture.

I have a field trial lines female that runs about 55lbs in lean muscle summer training/trialing weight and right now she's up around 58lbs with some added fat to keep out the cold. They're not hard to find actually. You'd be surprised at the physical size of a 60-70lb male too.

Do your research and you should do well.
 

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Lvn2Hnt said:
Definitely NOT an expert - but as to your fist question - seek out British Labs, they are smaller by design - or so I've read. Our two are of British decent and are smaller than the average lab.
Careful. That's a touchy subject with some around here.
 

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daveb> what's a touchy subject? My statement that which I qualified with
or so I've read
Guess I don't understand how posting what I've read is a touchy subject....
A woman with an opinion.........of her own. Now THAT is a touchy subject......

You know how you can tell when a woman is fixing to say something smart don't you?
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It starts with 'A man once told me.........'
 

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daveb> guess I'm out of the loop on this one - pretty sure everything round here can be made in to a touchy subject - specially when you get a chick involved - right Rude? :soapbox:
 

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So LVN, where di you get your dogs from?
Rude, you have a chocolate, right?? Where did you pick your up at?

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The really good one we picked up from Tom Ness (Oahe Kennels) - the other was one abandoned and I got him from the Pet Connection in Bismarck. Amazing what decent bloodlines and work early on can do for a pup. The one we got from Tom was amazing from day one, the other it has taken 2 years and he is just now becoming useful instead of useless.

Last I talked to Tom, he'd gotten rid of his female, but don't know if he's got another one now. But, he does breed some very nice springers too.
 

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I got my choc from kgpcr here on this site. I am not sure how much info he wants posted here so you can PM him I am sure and Kevin would give you the info.

Hero is 5.5 months and has been out pheasant hunting three times now. He has done two retrieves by himself with a real downed bird so he is doing freaking outstanding. Excellent blood lines going back 3 generations in AKC.
 
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I got my choc from kgpcr here on this site. quote]

Where has that boy been? No posts from him in the pheasant forum for ever! My labs are out of calumets super sonic and run in the mid 60's.
 

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djleye, if you're looking for a small lab (great idea, why the hell are they bred so big?) you could have 1/2 of mine...... 100lbs. The ***** was 55# and the stud #65. Just lucky I guess.

A long time ago Outdoor Life ran an article on red grouse drives in Portugal where the retreivers looked just like minnie labs, about 50#s. The author tried to buy one but no sale. Don't know if it was a different breed or just small sized labs. Might be worth checking on.
 

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Sometimes litter mates vary in size. Bodeys litter of 11 has a male at 55 pounds (low end ) 95 pounds (high end) female at 60 pounds (low) 80 # (high) Sire Weezer is 75# ***** Zoe is 60#

Bodey is a nice lean and tall 68#

You never know what your going to get. I will say the two largest litter mates of each sex were the largest at 8 weeks for there sex. (If that makes sence?)

If you stick to the FT HT and Field lines you will see taller thinner more athletic looking dogs if you look more to the show lines you will find shorter, blocky, heavier dogs. (not fit for the field)

Silver labs a marketing scam stick to the three natural colors in this order Black, yellow and last but still my favorite :) chocolate, even though I know the odds are not in my favoure to get a good one.

A couple of nice litters I found with your colors in mind

http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums ... hp?t=32028

http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums ... hp?t=32060

Bodey (Black dog)




 
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