[bisontraks]

HOW LONG DO WE HAVE? WHAT DO YOU THINK?

This is the most interesting thing I've
read in a long time. The sad thing
about it, you can see it coming.

I have always heard about this democracy
countdown. It is interesting to see
it in print. God help us, not that we
deserve it.

How Long Do We Have?

About the time our original thirteen states
adopted their new constitution
in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish
history professor at the
University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall
of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature;
it simply cannot exist as a
permanent form of government."

"A democracy will continue to exist up
until the time that voters discover
they can vote themselves generous gifts
from the public treasury."

"Fr om that moment on, the majority always
vote for the candidates who
promise the most benefits from the public
treasury, with the result that
every democracy will finally collapse due
to loose fiscal policy, which is
always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest
civilizations from the beginning of
history, has been about 200 years"

"During those 200 years, those nations
always progressed through
the following sequence:

1. from bondage to spiritual faith;

2. from spiritual faith to great courage;

3. from courage to liberty;

4. from liberty to abundance;

5. from abundance to complacency;

6. from complacency to apathy;

7. from apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence back into bondage"

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline
University School of Law, St. Paul,
Minnesota , points out some interesting
facts concerning the 2000
Presidential election:

Number of States won by:
Gore: 19
Bush: 29

Square miles of land won by:
Gore: 580,000
Bu sh: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by:
Gore: 127 million
Bush: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in
counties won by:
Gore: 13.2
Bush: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the
map of the territory Bush won was
mostly the land owned by the taxpaying
citizens of this great country.
Gore's territory mostly encompassed those
citizens living in
government-owned tenements and living off
welfare..."

Olson believes the United States
is now somewhere between the
"complacency and apathy" phase of Professor
Tyler's definition of democracy,
with some forty percent of the nation's
population already having reached
the "governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship
to twenty million criminal
invaders called illegal's and they vote,
then we can say goodbye to the USA
in fewer than five years.

If you are in favor of this then delete
this message, if you are not then
pass this along to help everyone realize
just how much is at stake, knowing
that apathy is the greatest danger to our
freedom. I choose to pass it on!

Thank you for reading this!
:eyeroll:

 

[Plainsman]

The democrats demanded that loans be made easy so that poor people could own them too. People purchased houses way beyond their means and subprime rates. When they could not make payments they simply walked away. That was a great burden to the economy and why many like Fanny and Freddie have collapsed. Now that the democrats have driven the economy nearly into the dirt they blame it on conservatives and tell the public they will rescue them.

No one is that dumb, but the frightening part is there was a publication in the mid 1960's (I don't remember the author) that layed out the plans for socialism. The plan was to drive the economy of the United States so low that people would accept socialism as a path out of the hole we were in. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

I think we may be in the last phases, and with Obama in I wonder if we will have another election, and if we do will it simply be a farce? Look at the unions trying to eliminate the secret ballot. Why? I would say to put fear into employees to vote as they are dictated to vote. Next will be our general elections.

A few years ago I would have wrote those thoughts off as crazy. What has turned me to taking it serious is the attitude of liberals I argue with on this form. If the majority of the nation think as some here do we are sunk.

 

[southdakbearfan]

I keep thinking we are going to wake up. Maybe we will skip the bondage part and get back into faith and freedom. But it may take a political revolt of the average american to get us to that.

It just disgusts me how people seem to want the government to do everything for them when just about everything the government takes over is just flat out screwed up.

 

[omegax]

The Democrats didn't invent option ARMs, interest-only mortgages, the ridiculous no-doc mortgages, and 50 year terms. The unregulated mortgage industry did that on their own... I was working in IT for a mortgage broker for a while. Trust me. They didn't have to be told to loan to everybody under the sun. Blaming the Democrats for that is such a red-herring.

 

[Plainsman]

The Democrats didn't invent option ARMs, interest-only mortgages, the ridiculous no-doc mortgages, and 50 year terms. The unregulated mortgage industry did that on their own... I was working in IT for a mortgage broker for a while. Trust me. They didn't have to be told to loan to everybody under the sun. Blaming the Democrats for that is such a red-herring.

The democrats pushed hard for low rate, low security loans through ACORN, and directly. Now we see ACORN raise it's ugly head again in voting fraud. It's a cover organization for radical left democrats. The reason the first rescue bill didn't pass is that democrats wanted 20% of all returns to the government to go to ACORN. We have given over $30 million tax dollars to ACORN. Then they turn around and use that money for political advantage of democrats only.

The information is all out there if partisanship doesn't cloud your vision.

 

[omegax]

I was THERE... ACORN didn't push the greedy lenders to make loans they knew they shouldn't. They didn't have to. The bad ones were collecting their commissions, and would just shrug their shoulders if you asked them if they thought the borrower could afford it. I know my experience is anecdotal, but I strongly suspect GREED had a lot more to do with it than ACORN did... if they did anything at all.

 

[Plainsman]

I think greed had some to do with it on both sides. Lenders were greedy, and people who couldn't afford houses were greedy to have better houses than they could afford. However, I think ACORN pushed politically to have low rate poor security loans. Also, the prospect simply fits the whinny liberal weeee have to be faaaaair mentality. It's their socialist mantra.

 

[R y a n]

:roll: :eyeroll:

 

[Plainsman]

:roll: :eyeroll:

:fiddle:

 

[southdakbearfan]

Those whom cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

 

[ruger1]

Look at the unions trying to eliminate the secret ballot. Why? I would say to put fear into employees to vote as they are dictated to vote. Next will be our general elections.

Nothing wrong with getting rid of the secret ballot. If you are to cowardly to stand up for what you beleive in, then maybe you don't believe in it at all.

 

[Plainsman]

Look at the unions trying to eliminate the secret ballot. Why? I would say to put fear into employees to vote as they are dictated to vote. Next will be our general elections.

Nothing wrong with getting rid of the secret ballot. If you are to cowardly to stand up for what you believe in, then maybe you don't believe in it at all.

Easy to say, much harder to live. Our national election is a secret ballot, and for good reason. Lets say you have a $100 grand job. Your boss wants to see everyones ballot because he is a staunch Obama supporter, very liberal, and supports all union objectives. He is looking to fill a position that pays $150 grand. Now you try and tell me that if your a man with four children, a wife, a house payment, and you and another man are about equally qualified your going to vote against union wishes. Big talk when your not actually doing it.

This leaves you choosing between your pride and your family. Hard decision? I may not convince you ruger1, but for those looking at your computer screen now think about it. No one is watching you, seriously think about what you would do. Maybe your helping support your parents also. Are they more important than your pride? Are they more important than a union position? How many of you puffed up your chest and said you would vote however you want no matter your children, your wife, your parents, your home?

 

[JustAnotherDog]

Even if the banks thought it up, they were supported by Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae. Changes to Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae were thwarted by congress.

 

[Plainsman]

Not only that. attempts by McCain to control them were thwarted by liberals in congress.

 

[hunter9494]

a secret ballot and a private voting booth are or were.....a part of democracy......we stand to lose that and 1st and 2nd Amendment rights if NO-bama wins........No-bama wins, Americas loses.......big time!