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A little Gun History Lesson

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about
20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13
million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up
and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964.. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan
Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christian's, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because
of gun control: 56 million.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new
law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own
government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million
dollars. The first year results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent Australia-wide, armed robberies
are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed
robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12
months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the
ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety
has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
successfully ridding Australian society of guns.. The Australian experience
and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind him of
this history lesson.

With Guns...........We Are 'Citizens'.
Without Them........We Are 'Subjects'.

During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew
most Americans were ARMED!

Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attended
Harvard U. 1919-1921 & was Naval Attache© to the U. S. 1925-28. Most of our
Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army had been deprived of funding &
was ill prepared to defend the country.

It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl
Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his reply was that he
had lived in the U. S. & knew that almost all households had guns.

If you value your freedom, Please spread this anti-gun control message to
all your friends!
 

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If only the Jews in Nazi Germany or the Russians under Stalin would of had guns. That would have changed everything. :roll:

KoneZone said:
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million
Thank you for posting this info!

I find it laughable that you guys would even list this as evidence to why confiscation could happen in the states. This is some of the most comforting things I've read lately as to why this will never happen here.

640,381 guns is NOTHING. I bet you there is at least twice that many in ND alone...one of the least populated states in the nation.

Most estimates range between 39% and 50% of US households having at least one gun(thats about 43-55 million households). The estimates for the number of privately owned guns range from 190 million to 300 million. Removed those that skew the stats for thier own purposes the best estimates are about 45% or 52 million of american households owning 260 million guns).
It took our government (FEMA) 5 days to get water to the Superdome. Do you honestly think they have the capablity of confiscating 190-300 million guns? You guys are giving them way too much credit.

They can't even house the criminals we have now. What are they going to do with the tens of millions of criminals any similar law would make? The very logistics of gun confiscation are impossible in this country.

Guns are our culture. Banning them would be like banning tortillas in Mexico. Good luck. You guys can lose sleep over this and worry to you're blue in the face if you want to...it'll never happen.
 

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I agree with Matt's post. This government can't get it's act together to pull something like this off. Think of the number of guns nation wide! Hell we have have trouble recalling a set of tires let alone every gun in the country
 

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During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew
most Americans were ARMED!

Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attended
Harvard U. 1919-1921 & was Naval Attache© to the U. S. 1925-28. Most of our
Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army had been deprived of funding &
was ill prepared to defend the country.

It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl
Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his reply was that he
had lived in the U. S. & knew that almost all households had guns.
The Imperial Japanese Army and Navy crushed the British Army in Singapore, the American Army in the Philippines, sank both the British and American Navies that they could find, destroyed all Allied air forces, swept aside the Chinese Army into a dust pan,…………….and they were afraid to invade because a few American civilians had a couple sporting arms? :eyeroll: I have some lake lots I'd like to sell.
 

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Actually the japanese were ashamed at what they did. They, as we would do, wanted their enemy to be awake. They sent word of the attack but it came too late. And that was why Japan sat back. Would we have still whipped them? you bet! This is the USA. But in their defense they wanted to fight fair. Don't forget their now our friends.
 

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What version of history have you read? They never set word of the attack. They cut all negotiation off and removed their ambassadours a couple of hours after the attack had happened. When the message sent was finally translated, it did not "declare war", it just cut declared the current negotiations dead.

Their objective was to cripple us so to negotiate a deal so we would supply them with oil and keep us out of the war.

They are our friends now because we kicked their arse eventually.
 

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And those that voted for Obama have voted for gun control based on his IL record and what the liberals in congress want to happen. What on earth were so many gun owners and hunters thinking?
 

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Guys, an all out confiscation won't be needed to eliminate our gun rights as we now know them. I actually envy those who have been able to find so much comfort by simply convincing themselves that there are too many guns in this country for anyone to be able to make them just go away, so nothing needs to be done to protect their rights.

I can't seem to get that comfortable.

We all know NOTHING can be legislated out of existence. And the very people who will vote to try to do that to our guns understand it even better than us! But legislation can..AND DOES take things away from those who can't afford to be criminals. Those of us who actually have something to lose...like a family, a house, a job, etc.

Going to jail makes it difficult to retain those things.

So although some will bury guns, which won't do anyone any good, most will be forced to either give up guns affected or at the very least never be able to risk being caught with them...which is almost the same as giving them up. New sales of the particular type of firearm in question will cease, so attrition will effectively disarm society of those guns. Sure, many homes will have grandpa's old AR in the cellar, but who will know how to shoot it? And where could they shoot it where neighbors won't hear it and possibly call authorities? So owning that gun will be like me owning a oven. Sure, I got one, but I sure as hell don't know how to use it !!!!!!!!!

Very soon people will simply lose interest, and the antis' battle is won ...with nary a shot fired.

Remember, this isn't about us. It's about our kids...and their kids.

It seems to me like the anti's have already succeeded in making far too many of us think only of themselves.

So maybe we've already lost? :eyeroll:
 

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barebackjack said:
arpple said:
And those that voted for Obama have voted for gun control based on his IL record and what the liberals in congress want to happen. What on earth were so many gun owners and hunters thinking?
Isnt it obvious......they werent.
And they still are not thinking. It will be over and they still will not believe it. Something some people are not capable of comprehending. They will have gone through the smelter and a few will still be denying it can happen. It just depends on how bad a case of partisanship or denial you have.

It seems to me like the anti's have already succeeded in making far too many of us think only of themselves.
Absolutely right. The guy that says he doesn't care because he shoots a muzzle loader, a bow, a single shot etc should hang his head in shame, but he doesn't have enough brains to be ashamed of his selfishness.
 

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Great post KoneZone!

Where all those Obama supporting anti-gun folks at on this one??? Chaws, tell me how I'm a bad person because I have a gun (AK) that I don't "need" in my everyday life, but I built in case I need to protect my family from invaders. Tell these people in this thread not to talk about helping to defend their homeland in case of an invasion, unless they're law enforcement or military officers, while you hide in your closet waiting to be overcome by the enemy. Even if I don't stand a chance I'd still stand up to protect mine and yours!! :sniper:
 

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It's refreshing reading the cohesive arguments, and those that don't quite add up. Here's another to ponder; I traveled to New Zealand about ten years and met a gent that was a hunter. I was pretty painless he said, "I just ring the sheriff and tell him where I'm going, when I'm going and when I'll be back. I can't make any unscheduled stops or anything like that. If I do I could loose my gun rights for life". Man that would really suck to live there I thought. I hope it doesn't happen here. Stand up before you get slapped down. :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:
 
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