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Has everyone seen the front page of the forum today?? What the hell dosent Gov. Pawlenty have anything better to do than worry about hunting issues with OUR state. I am so ticked off at the whole thing, I just cant beleive it, well Hoven better have some balls now to tell him to mind his own business. Any one elses thoughts?
 

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The MN governor REALLY needs to mind is OWN business. Take care of MN....I think it needs much more attention. Hoeven had a nice comment on the situation. He stated that he had just met with Pawlenty for two days last week and the subject never came up. Can you say' LIP SERVICE" ?

Maybe the outcome of this will be that I won't have to pay $83.00 per person to hunt ducks in MN and pay almost $150.00 in Fishing license Fees for my family, although if the state of MN raised their fishing license to $100.00 per season, it would be well worth the time spent on the water.

Hey if MN wants to restrict something, why not talk apples to apples. Restrict ND Hunters visiting MN to 2 - 7 day periods for ducks and restrict our time to pheasant hunting.....I don't think there would be much whining on our side. Like I said on prior posts, go after SD too, they're restricting your hunting opportunities much more than ND.

If the Forums intention was to infuriate resident hunters by printing this Bull S*&T, then they've accomplished their goals. WHEN is the Forum going to get somebody on board who actually KNOWS the hunting issues. One paragraph states, "Also, out-of-state residents can not hunt in North Dakota Oct. 11-17." By the end of the paragraph, he finally states that its on, "state owned lands and other hunting lands controlled by the state". No mention of PLOTS or how much land is involved. Another paragraph, "Nonresidents' hunitng grounds also will be more restricted than those open to North Dakotans". Come on Mr. Writer, sounds like NRs have THEIR own land to hunt and ND hunters have theirs. MAYBE, JUST MAYBE the Forum might want to have someone write their hunting stories that has ACTUALLY HUNTED AT ONE POINT IN THEIR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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I agree lol they might as well drag SD into this whole mess then, besides why on gods green earth would I want to hunt in MN when I have the best duck and goose hunting here in ND? besides I think MN has much bigger issuses and problems than squablling over ND hunting laws. LIke I said they just ned to mind there own business., Can you only imagine if 2048 would've passed., Who started this bickering anyways? MN gov?
 

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Border hunting battle begins
By Don Davis
The Forum - 08/27/2003
ST. PAUL -- Minnesota's top wildlife official is taking aim at North Dakota anglers and Gov. Tim Pawlenty may provide added ammunition in a growing dispute over North Dakota's new nonresident hunting regulations.

Gene Merriam, Minnesota's Department of Natural Resources commissioner, and Pawlenty say they want North Dakota to change its new nonresident hunting regulations. They say Minnesotans should enjoy the same opportunities given to North Dakota anglers in the Land of 10,000 Lakes.

"In fairness to our hunters and anglers, we have to address the issue," Merriam said Tuesday.

Last week, in an interview with the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Merriam was more pointed:

"We don't think it makes sense to escalate the arms race by being retaliatory. But they (North Dakotans) can't come over here and enjoy our lakes in the summer and expect our citizens to put up with some pretty onerous provisions during the hunting season there."

During a Saturday meeting with about 90 Minnesota outdoorsmen and politicians in Nicollet, Minn., Pawlenty said he's requesting a meeting with North Dakota Gov. John Hoeven to discuss the issue.

Hoeven said Tuesday he's willing to talk, but the new rules were thoroughly discussed during the last legislative session. Hoeven gave no indication he is willing to budge.

"If Gov. Pawlenty wants to give some input, I certainly am going to listen," Hoeven said.

The Pawlenty administration puts the controversy high on its priority list and hopes to schedule a meeting with Hoeven within a month, said the Minnesota governor's spokeswoman.

"While he does not look to retaliate on that issue, he does want to raise the issues and have a good conversation about a number of outdoors issues," Press Secretary Leslie Kupchella said. "It's just a bit premature to say at this point what he will do if North Dakota does not change its rules. First things first, and that is to have that meeting with Gov. Hoeven."

Pawlenty was more direct when talking to Saturday's gathering in Nicollet.

"I'm going to go up and tell him (Hoeven) this cannot go forward on this basis, with this amount of tension and frustration and, frankly, this amount of unfairness," the Star Tribune quoted Pawlenty as saying. "We will seek out ways to get his voluntary cooperation to bring some fairness. If that's not successful, we may have to use other means."

The Pawlenty administration won't say what those "other means" could be.

Hoeven didn't seem worried. But he was puzzled why Pawlenty did not mention the issue when the two attended a National Governors' Association meeting earlier this month.

"He hasn't talked to me about it, and I was with him two days last week," Hoeven said.

The president of the Minnesota Outdoors Heritage Alliance said his members are happy Pawlenty is involved.

"The governor is hearing what the grass-roots sportsmen of Minnesota have said," Mark LaBarbera said. "The sportsmen are very much up in arms. The governor is trying to be the voice of reason to find a reasonable solution."

New laws and North Dakota Game and Fish Department rules give residents a week's head start over nonresidents in many hunting seasons, including ducks and geese, which start for North Dakotans Sept. 27.

The head start is common in other states, Hoeven said.

Nonresidents' hunting grounds also will be more restricted than those open to North Dakotans. Hoeven said it's part of managing hunting resources.

Also, out-of-state residents cannot hunt in North Dakota Oct. 11-17. Legislators apparently intended the law only to apply to pheasant hunters, but it was written in such a way that it bans all nonresident hunters from state-owned lands and other hunting lands controlled by the state.

That week is when many Minnesota students are out of school as teachers attend an annual conference.

Nonresidents also will pay more for many North Dakota hunting licenses.

Hoeven said he doesn't understand complaints about license fee increases. North Dakota's are in line with most nearby states, he said.

Minnesota charges $83 for a duck license, compared to $85 in North Dakota, Hoeven said. And Minnesota charges North Dakotans $10 more for fishing licenses than North Dakota charges Minnesotans.

Minnesota hunters will benefit from North Dakota's efforts to eventually increase its hunting acreage to 1 million, Hoeven said. That's up from about 160,000 acres in the recent past and nearly 350,000 acres today.

Merriam said the combined changes rile Minnesota hunters.

He knows about upset sportsmen firsthand. Merriam, a captive audience while in his dentist's chair Monday, heard the familiar complaints.

The dentist said North Dakotans are welcome in Minnesota -- so much so natives can hardly buy property near Detroit Lakes because so many North Dakotans are in the market, driving up prices.

"Why do those folks get to come over here all summer long and catch our fish?" the dentist asked Merriam.

Merriam also has firsthand knowledge about hunting in North Dakota. He has been a frequent North Dakota hunter, especially to the Stanley area in the northwestern part of the state. He doesn't understand why North Dakotans would want to keep him and his money away.

The commissioner recalled a hunting visit when he stayed in a Devils Lake motel: "It was all Minnesota and Wisconsin license plates."

Hoeven said there actually is a bright side to the Minnesota-North Dakota dispute: "Even this discussion -- it is people talking about North Dakota and North Dakota having something people want."

Readers can reach Forum reporter Don Davis at (651) 290-0707
 

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Do Minnesotans forget that all of the nonresident property owners pay property taxes to the state of Minnesota that suport schools and other things that the land owners do not use. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.
 

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Cheese and rice, DOD must be applying some new stealth technology to the entire state of SD or its entire border is shielded by a curtain of teflon. They skate again........
 

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I have been invited to hunt SD (mostly just to meet people) in the past - But their overly restrictive Waterfowl Laws have not let me go - I won't pay to hunt Chinese Chickens - (Maybe at a preserve to train the dog) But thats about what it has turned into with all the pay to hunt Pheasant places anyway :roll:

But I applaud their (SD) taking a stance & sticking to it :thumb: - No wonder people want to live & move their Businesses to SD

Would'nt we want people to want to come here - instead of just give it all away & when we turn into just another "Used to be Great Hunting State" & wonder what went wrong ??? :huh:

You know they will get over it & still come, even if it's zoned more & a lottery with 1st 2nd & 3rd choices for areas.

I think the Fargo & Grand Forks Fat Cats that own Lake property can afford to pay more - (If that is what they want) :roll: Too bad $$$ gets to be the bottomline more often, than the resources & good Management ??? :eyeroll:

You suppose Hoven is finally getting it ??? Imagine what they would do without many of us telling the rest of the story :eyeroll: Guys like Hoven who hunt once or twice a year, at Places like Cannonball & think that is Hunting & Great :roll: - I bet he has learned a great deal since that whole fiasco ??? I sure hope so
 

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Why do all you Nodaker's care what Pawlenty says to Hoevan?

Imagine if Pawlenty said we would triple NR rates for all licenses only for ND residents - from what I've read of all your opinions of hunting and fishing in MN - you should all utter a collective "who cares?". It's been written that the fishing is better in ND, the large game, small game, upland, waterfowl, why in the world would a self-respecting nodaker get worked up over what the MN governor has to say, It SURELY shouldn't affect you.

BobM has it right. Those with the $$ could care less about hunting PLOTS land for the first week of Pheasant. They are booked up with G/O on leased land. It hurts low dollar Joe Average like me. I respect your heritage, I certainly appreciate your liberal trespass laws, and I understand your desire to protect the good thing you have going.

I still don't understand why you would care about Pawlenty/Merriam.

Tim
 

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I really don't care so much about those two but the idea that they are trying to (or saying they will try to) influence our governor does concern me. I don't like the idea that someone I didn't have, and won't have a chance to vote for is trying to influence the outcome of public policy in ND. That in my opinion is not right and hopefully Hoeven understands this. Hoeven would be smart to stand back and say this is something that the PEOPLE of North Dakota are going to decide.
 

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We are not "going to decide it", it already WAS decided by the ND Legislature last session when they voted on 1223. The spinners are trying to say this was a mistake in interpetation, no hunting by NRs on state leased land the first week of pheasant season. That was exactly what the law read and everyone knew it. Now the Commercial Hunting Aristocracy is trying to wiggle to subvert the intent of the law. The Attorney Generals opinion was perfectly clear. Done deal.

If Pawlenty doesn't like it, have him talk to Fetch.
 

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Sounds like another Politician Grand Standing & opening Mouth before knowing all the facts :roll: I thought these guys had advisors that were suppose to know what is up on issues ??? :roll: You see that is exactly what our Hoeven has had to learn the hard way :roll: & many of us are not sure he has ??? - Because he never ever really replys to us :roll: Maybe our guy has learned to well too fast :roll: :huh:
 

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I agree with the fact that why should we give a hoot what that whiny little pawlenty is wheezing about over there in MN.
Part of me says yeah he shouldn't try to tell us how to run our state, but you know what. Alls it comes down to is that he is acting like the spoiled little rich kid who doesn't get his way on the playground.
(in a whiny high pitched voice, "I'm gonna tell my daddy and he is going to get your daddy fired' Waaa waaaa waaaaa.) :cry:

1. Who in there right mind would go to MN to hunt waterfowl. Oh my god, that is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard.

2. We should eradicate the pheasant anyway since all it is as another has said before a 'chinese chicken', why is there even a season, they should be like rabbits, open year round.
3. As far as fishing goes, aside from the boundary waters no lake in MN comes close to comparing to Sakakawea, let alone Devils Lake.
Don't even say Mille lacs cause if you can't keep anything you catch than you can't really call it fishing, you call it feeding the fish, and we all know that there hasn't been a fish caught out of that lake that fits into the slot since J. Lo was a virgin. I will give you the boundary waters my minnesota neighbors but in all actuality the fishing is better on the canadian side, wouldn't you agree.

18 days till W-Day.
But only 5 until the great canadas get to die, whoooooooo hoooooooo.

For anyone that wants to make the trip up, the bachelor party is on saturday in Cando. Stop by Gordy's bar saturday afternoon and join on the festivities.

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I am in the military, born and raised in ND, and look forward every year to get back home to hunt. I keep my residency in ND because I am loyal to the state and my roots are firmly planted. I've hunted many other states all over the country and I know exactly what it is like to be a nonresident hunter. This issue between ND and MN is not about who has the better hunting and fishing, the higher fees or the easiest tresspass, its about respect for the land. MN shut down MN long ago to protect themselves againt the reckless MN hunter. SD, IA, jumped on board, now ND...finally. Problem is, you MN guys have a handfull that ruin it for all of you. Every year I find myself "defending my property" after spending all damn year defending my country! I've got a story for every single year I've been back, it goes like this...I've got it all set up, crawled in earily, geese in front, ready to come off the slough. Then, here comes a truck, guys hanging out the windows and fireing shots into the birds and driving off intending to return later to pick up the birds. Who could it be? I know the answer before I ever see the plate. Be advised, I may have a postwar flashback this year and lay down some supressive fire. :sniper:
 

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Geez Coot...I can't believe we agree on something.That is,everything except about those pheasants.I love hunting them.
Congratulations on your upcoming wedding. :beer:

bglrs...get out the shoulder held rocket launchers! :D
 

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It's nice to see that I'm not the only one upset over today's article. First off the term Non-resident doesn't mean Minnesotans only, it applies to anybody who doesn't live in North Dakota. Nonresident hunting has become an issue because the pure overcrowding of people coming to hunt in ND. I read something in the article about ND residents buying up all the land around DL, so then what about all the nonresident big whigs who lease up huge amounts of land in ND just to hunt??? The word retaliatory was also used in the article, how could MN retaliate against ND for the new nonresident hunting regs?? If MN legislators restricted ND fisherpeople in MN, ND could just turn around and restrict MN fisherpeople in ND. Cootkiller, being from Devils Lake, can testify that there is a huge number of people from MN that fish there YEAR ROUND. When it comes down too it there is one point that trumps all, BIRD HUNTING IN MN IS NOT GOOD, or why else would there be so many MN people wanting to hunt in ND?? I think Pawlenty should be a little more concerned about the severe budget crunch going on in MN rather than worrying about hunting issues in a different state. The last point really illustrates that the "TOP PRIORITY" of Pawlenty isn't the majority of people in MN, rather a few select rich people in MN who are upset cause they can't get there way in a different state. CRY ME A [email protected]#*ING RIVER!!! Last of all, every state some how restricts nonresident hunters, so why should ND be the exception!!!
 

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I think ND and SD are doing it right. It doesn't bother me to miss the first week of hunting ducks or pheasants. It also is fine to raise fees to non residents. I have noticed a drastic increase in the number of hunters in the areas I have been going to in the last 15 years. I would rather have one quality trip to your state than two mediocre trips. I can always hit the openers in MN when the hunting isn't too bad.
I think the MN DNR should do something like you guys for fishing. Reducing the number of fish you can take home or setting up complicated slot limits to force you to return excellent fish that would be great for eating. We probably have a 100,000 nonresident fishermen every year. I think reducing that number would do alot to relax the stupid restrictions and limits that we have to deal with here.
 

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bglars, I can remember back when i was in the service too, I did alot of immature things and said some stupid things. (like your last post) You and all the other "super sportsmen" are a laugh a minute. The VA hospital can help if the flashbacks get to be too much for you, threatening to use firearms against someone is a pretty serious statement even if it's a joke to you.
 
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