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This colt was found in the wrong pen last Wednesday morning. Gashes on the left side of the neck, scrapes on the right side of the neck. Scrapes down the left side.

My immediate gut reaction tells me this is definitely a cat. Their dog wouldn't quit barking most of the night (Tuesday) and it is not a barker. Their indoor/outdoor cat wouldn't go outside either.

It took Game and Fish 5 days to respond to the owner's inquiry. Of course, G&F's position was that it was wire.

They also took the pictures to a reputable vet in the area, the vet immediately said that she believed it was a cat attack.

I am not of the camp that believes all the BS stories about G&F hauling these things in from the Western part of the state, but they are NOT handling these claims the right way. People are starting to not tell G&F of their sightings/encounter because they are treated like someone reporting a UFO.

I guess, maybe it's another juniper bush attack where the horse just keeps backing in to it for fun....

Here are just a couple pics (the purple coloring is just a spray they put on the colt to help with healing.)

 

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Like I said in my original post:

but they are NOT handling these claims the right way.

What i want is for G&F to quit treating people the way they do when they call something in. Until you've called one of these types of calls in yourself you will not know how they are treated.

I don't want G&F to call everything an attack - especially when they are not, but, they don't need to be a$$es about it.

Anyone can look at those pictures and think cat - especially when there NO wire laying around or around the horse that could've cause what they are saying is a wire injury. Even if it wasn't a cat, these people, along with others who have called in very likely cat attacks are treated like they are FREAKS!

And YES! If it was a lion, it would make feel a helluva lot better that they'd be able to A) identify one and B) to put to rest the conspiracy theories.

Did I say I wanted them to kill it? Yes, I would love to have a chance at one, just like 90% of the guys on this site would.

 

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I guess it's difficult for anyone who hasn't called the events in to understand what I'm getting at, let me try a different way.....

You are a landowner and you believe someone has trespassed and may have or may have not taken game off of your land. You call the Game and Fish and/or the sheriff, whatever your choice.

You call and tell them what happened and without coming out to take a look at any damage or asking any questions, they laugh at you and say, "Nope, couldn't have been a trespasser because they never do this or they always do that." "Definitely not someone, probably just the wind cause that's what the wind does."

How mad would that make you? I would at least expect them to follow up with an investigation or something.... Heck, is asking a few questions out of the question?

While I understand there is not enough time or money to track down every single claim - I'd guess they are getting that many. But, they are always saying that so much is unknown about these cats and that's one of the most important things with the hunting season is to learn about them from necropsy's, etc. Well, if so much is unknown, then how can they write off an attack if they don't explore it? And what if things they could be learning are going unlearned because they aren't following up on any of the claims?

When you are having livestock and pets - as these horses are - being attacked or chased around by these animals you will realize how heart breaking it is. I have had 5 4-Hers whose horses we KNOW were attacked by lions, not 1 has the G&F followed up on.

 

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If you call out to report a cat to G&F, they make it seem like it's more like 2-4 and they are all out west. Not in Bismarck or the surrounding areas.

 

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The more and more people I talk to the more that people are saying that wardens are tying to make it seems as though there aren't as many cats out there as there really are.

 

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R Y A N, no, i guess I don't agree with you on a couple points and I think you've missed mine. But that's fine....

So, just because there are known burglaries, trespassers, vandals, etc out there, we should not call those in to the respective authorities.

What about all of the farmers that call about crop depredation due to wildlife - are they supposed to be ignored too. They're not.

And no, I don't agree that everyone realizes there are lions in there area. I have yet to hear any of the wardens around this area admit to any lion any further east than New Salem.

 

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Hunt4P&Y > as I said: "In this area" not East of Grand Forks.

And you have all missed my point totally. :eyeroll: Wow, tough crowd around here today. And I know from past threads that it's only going to get worse.... I guess, bring it on, I'll keep defending my position on this. Was just posting up a few pictures to draw your own conclusions. Talk about a completely unintended change of direction on a thread.

I can definitely tell that none of you that have responded has cattle or horses.

 

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For those who are asking why to even call in a sighting (other than it may prevent another attack or injury):

From the Game and Fish web site:
REPORT LION ENCOUNTERS
To report a sighting, an encounter or an attack, contact one of the North Dakota Game and Fish offices listed below. For after-hours emergencies, contact your local sheriff's department or state radio at 800-472-2121.

* Bismarck: 100 N. Bismarck Expressway, Bismarck, ND 58501 - 701 328-6300.
* Devils Lake: 7928 45th St. NE, Devils Lake, ND 58301- (701) 662-3617.
* Dickinson: 225 30th Ave. SW. Dickinson, ND 58601 - (701) 227-7431.
* Lonetree (Harvey) WMA: 1851 23rd Ave. NE, Harvey, ND 58341 - (701) 324-2211.
* Riverdale: 406 Dakota Ave.. Riverdale, ND 58565 - (701) 654-7475.
* Jamestown: 3320 E Lakeside Rd., Jamestown, ND 58402 - (701) 253-6480.
* Williston: 13932 W. Front St., Williston, ND 58801 - (701) 774-4320.

 

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Sorry Hunt4P&Y, must have missed where you must have said that.

:lol: No, I'm not going for you to say that they are being meany heads, but, I'm being chastised for being upset at people being treated unfairly. And, I'm being pointed at and laughed at for actually calling in a potential attack like that is something stupid to do.

 

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I guess my issue is that all I did was post up pictures of what I believe to be an attack and right away someone starts in on me and the entire point of the thread was changed.

My topic on the thread wasn't "Hey, I think the G&F are a bunch of jacka$$es not doing their job."

 

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Thank you Maverick!

I was beginning to think that it was my name that got drawn out of a hat today to be a jerk to :lol:

 

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R Y A N - not so much you.

No, the reports are not taken courteously. Just like there is reading between the lines, there is also tone and manner of delivery of questions and statements.

I guess it's hard to explain unless you experience it.

But, that was NOT that point of this thread. Like I've already said, all I wanted to do was post up pictures of a possible attack and get some decent dialog about if people thought it was one thing or another. Additionally, to shed some light on how people were being treated.

One more thing about the "reports," if they can't confirm that it is a cat, how can they confirm that it is not. What I mean is, whenever someone (that I have known) calls in a sighting, the information isn't "just taken down." A judgement is passed almost immediately that it couldn't be a cat because of one reason or another. How can you look at a couple pictures without investigation and say that no, it is not a cat, it has to be wire or something when they haven't seen anything but a few bad pictures.

In that instance, they shouldn't say anything other than, "we do not have and are not able to gather enough evidence to either support or negate an attack."

Just like when the guy's horse that was "attacked by a juniper bush" around McDowell Dam - G&F said with certainty that there wasn't enough evidence to say that it was a lion, but was complete sure it wasn't. How does that work?

BTW - this horse, in this instance was south of Menoken

 

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Just for clarification, this was not my horse. It is a very good friend of mine and neighbor.

I too have had horses that have had at least that bad and worse cuts from wire. What made this a little different is that this horse was not in an enclosure that had ANY wire in it. It was in a wood fence pen. There was no hair on any of the wood anywhere in the pen.

That said, I too have questions about whether it was a lion or not, but there are so many odd circumstances.

 

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omegax > pretty much what G&F said from looking at the pics.

Please, if anyone has pics or access to pics of actual cat attacks on horses or cattle, I would love to see them to compare.

 

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She, boys, I'm a she. LOL

 

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Exactly

 

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MSG> Yup, oh well. LOL On Saturday I got a call about some decoys I'm selling, the guy asked to speak with my husband about some decoys he was selling. I had to tell them that they were mine, pretty sure he was quite confused. LOL! :lol: