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Wow, I am surprised. It was Colin Powell who stood before the UN with vials in his hand and said he had proof that Iraq had WMD's. He was one of the most staunch supporters of the Iraq war. I put great credability in what the man had to say. Now he supports Obama and Obama's goals are so out of line with the goals Powell at one time projected that I can come to only one conclusion. My conclusion is he is supporting him for the same reason 90% of black people do. When the numbers are that skewed I say racism is raising it's ugly head.

WASHINGTON - Former Secretary of State Colin Powell endorsed Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., for president on Sunday, criticizing his own Republican Party for what he called its narrow focus on irrelevant personal attacks over a serious approach to challenges he called unprecedented.

Powell, who for many years was considered the most likely candidate to become the first African-American president, said in an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press" that he was not supporting Obama because of his race. He said he had watched both Obama and his Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, for many months and thought "either one of them would be a good president."
 

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If you still aren't convinced that Obama has sealed up this election, Colin Powell's endorsement of Barack Obama should do the trick. Powell says that Obama is a "transformational figure ... He is a new generation coming ... onto the world stage and on the American stage."

Another key reason why Powell says he will vote for Obama is because he doesn't want two more conservative appointments to the Supreme Court. :eyeroll:

And naturally, you get the race argument ... people saying that the only reason Powell would support Obama is because he is black. But Powell says that this is not about race. He says, "I can't deny that it will be a historic event when an African-American becomes president ... And should that happen, all Americans should be proud - not just African-American, but all Americans - that we have reached this point in our national history where such a thing could happen. It would also not only electrifythe country, but electrify the world."

Powell's endorsement is huge, but the endorsement coupled with his thoughts on the McCain campaign really may put the nail in the coffin. Powell says that he was "troubled" by McCain's pick of Governor Palin as his VP. He was also upset with the McCain campaign's attempts to link Barack Obama to domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. Here it is in a nutshell: "Now I understand what politics is all about - I know how you can go after one another. And that's good. But I think this goes too far. And I think it has made the McCain campaign look a little narrow. It's not what the American people are looking for. And I look at these kinds of approaches to the campaign, and they trouble me. And the party has moved even further to the right, and Gov. Palin has indicated a further rightward shift."

Sorry, Secretary Powell, but associations do count. You can judge a man's character by the type of people he surrounds himself with. Look at Obama. You have William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko. If Obama were applying for a security clearance these associations would probably disqualify him. That's right. This may be the first time in history that the President of the United States wouldn't qualify for a security clearance if he were a private citizen.

While we are on the topic of political endorsements ... the Chicago Tribune also endorsed Barack Obama. This is the first time the paper has ever endorsed a Democrat for president in 161 years.
 

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Quote found on MSNBC:

Colin Powell, the first African-American Secretary of State, said this afternoon that electing an African-American US president would be "electrifying" for the world, but he said he still remains undecided between McCain and Obama.
but race had nothing to do with it.
 

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Yes, he keeps telling us race has nothing to do with it. He says it so often that it becomes apparent that race has a lot to do with it. He says race has nothing to do with it, then goes on to say how great it would be to have a black president. Ya, right race has nothing to do with it, and I am ten foot tall and bullet proof. :D

I am disturbed that Powell would be afraid of two more conservatives to the Supreme Court. It is evident that conservative judges interpret the constitution while liberal judges bastardize the constitution with activist decisions. Decisions tainted with their political view rather than constitutional based.
 

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no-bama has stated he will be giving Powell a post in his administration.
Well that explains it. I guess if you have no conscience you can sell out your country and your integrity if you think personal power is worth it.
 

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I really dont think race is a factor for Powell. I still like the man even though hes backing Obama. I think hes just a little disgruntled with the republican party. I think he would be a FARR better choice than Obama. Hes just never seemed like the kind of guy that puts stock in "race" or plays the race card. And, maybe having Powell in that administration would be a good thing. A somewhat conservative voice of reason amongst a bunch of libby dbags.

And even if it was about race, he'd NEVER EVER come out and say that.
 

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Stolen from another board:

Rush is getting attacked because when he was asked about whether or not Powell's decision for Obama was based on race. He said he didn't know, but he would research and try and find out how many inexperienced, extreme liberal white people Powell had endorsed. The media is pitching a fit, but it was a damn fine response.
 

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JustAnotherDog, I heard a few minutes of Rush today and heard him talking about that. If Powell didn't want it to be taken the way Rush took it he shouldn't have played up how great a black president will be. It's his own fault. Racist or stupid neither one is good.
 

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Someone please tell me what, in Obama's past makes him a choice for president. He voted "present" how many times? 130 times?

He's suave and makes great promises?

He has endorsements? From foreign people that have attacked the united states, guess that makes him an international kind of guy. Colin Powell joins with Kadahfi, wow!
 

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I have lost a lot of respect for Powell due to this, but it does shed some light on some other possible reasons why he left Bush's administration. And driving that possibility home is the part of his announcement that bothered me the most......that the republican party has moved too far to the right.

If he truly believes that, then it's not hard to understand why he's picking Obama.

If McCain is too far right, I'm 10' taller than Plainsman !!!!!

Give me a break !!!!! :eyeroll:

And at the risk of offending Bob, if you are expecting truly conservative appointees if McCain were to miraculously pull this out......please don't hold your breath! Although they would be less likely to condone bombings on US soil as a political "tool", they would be a far cry from what I believe you and I want to see.
 

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Pat Buchanan pontificates and takes the low road just like many here have:


And when Obama (who has always insisted that his campaign isn't about race) wins, how much do you want to bet Buchanan and company will be on television claiming Obama brought up the race issue to get elected? I guess when it is the only argument you have other than what the man says are his reasons, you have to go back to attacking the messenger (Obama or Powell) instead of his message. Classic. All of you folks were such HUGE Powell supporters in the past. Flip. flop. Flip. flop.

Ohh... and in case you haven't seen it yet, check out this interview with Powell after he appeared on Meet the Press. He shreds McCain's campaign and provides more reasons for supporting Obama, none of which are related to skin tone.


Powell clearly explains exactly what I have done on this forum, about what the real issues of this Presidential race are all about. All of the dirty politics of the Republicans has just annoyed the majority of the American people, especially the swing voters. They want change and they want it now.

Glad to see you Powell apologists are all getting on the same page with your excuses and talking points ...

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its a big game ryan, don't you get it? the government is taking control of the people's lives.......455 elected officials are going to manipulate the people into thinking they are going to be better off....we won't be, in the end, the rich and powerful will be the only class that experiences gain and they will exercise endless power over the people, all the while selling them a bill of goods..read my latest post......it all makes perfect sense. the housing bubble, the bank defaults, the bailout.....it is ALL PART OF THE PLAN. NO-bama is part of the plan, a big part....don't you get it??
 

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The Powell clip posted by Ryan says a LOT. I had not seen it, but it certainly gives us a look inside him we hadn't seen before. I wonder if he meant to get on a roll like that?

It also tells me the only thing in question about his endorsement was when he was going to announce it. :eek:
 

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Powell clearly explains exactly what I have done on this forum
Your to full of yourself Ryan. I have never seen a good point or a answer without liberal spin. You talk about spewing hatred, then forget all about your posts about Palin.
Obama was the first to bring up race. I watched Powell on TV and he talked about how wonderful it would be to have our first black president. Both Obama and Powel brought up race. Race neither makes them right or wrong, it is their policies that make them wrong.
Usually when we talk policies Ryan you talk about the Letterman show, how many houses McCain has or some other trivial meaningless "earth shattering point".
I think people are drooling over the free money from the working class. I think if you follow the money you will know why people are for Obama. Federal employees of which I was one drool thinking of the money they will get. The lazy drool thinking of the money they will get. Other than Hollywood you will find few successful individuals in the private sector that will vote for Obama. I have had some people tell me they make a bundle and support Obama, but I think they were just braggers full of bs. They are drooling over the free money.
People who are socialists will love Obama. The funny thing about socialists is they are normally people who don't want to earn their own way. We see in socialist and communist countries how the work ethic declines. Why would anyone work hard when you get paid the same sitting on your duff, or pretending to work hard?
 

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Powell clearly explains exactly what I have done on this forum
Your to full of yourself Ryan. I have never seen a good point or a answer without liberal spin. You talk about spewing hatred, then forget all about your posts about Palin.
Obama was the first to bring up race. I watched Powell on TV and he talked about how wonderful it would be to have our first black president. Both Obama and Powel brought up race. Race neither makes them right or wrong, it is their policies that make them wrong.
Usually when we talk policies Ryan you talk about the Letterman show, how many houses McCain has or some other trivial meaningless "earth shattering point".
I think people are drooling over the free money from the working class. I think if you follow the money you will know why people are for Obama. Federal employees of which I was one drool thinking of the money they will get. The lazy drool thinking of the money they will get. Other than Hollywood you will find few successful individuals in the private sector that will vote for Obama. I have had some people tell me they make a bundle and support Obama, but I think they were just braggers full of bs. They are drooling over the free money.
People who are socialists will love Obama. The funny thing about socialists is they are normally people who don't want to earn their own way. We see in socialist and communist countries how the work ethic declines. Why would anyone work hard when you get paid the same sitting on your duff, or pretending to work hard?
Plainsman, I am simply amazed at how cynical you are. To think that you have all the democrats all summed up is stunning. To think that "other than Hollywood, you will find few successful individuals in the private sector that will vote for Obama" is jaw dropping. This forum is more comedy than anything anymore.
 

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Well seabass like many things in life I just say follow the money. I think we are in the last stages of democracy where some who find they can vote themselves prosperity will vote for who gives them the most. That's what the democrat party is all about. That's why Obama will take from the productive and give to the lazy. I wonder if we sill become socialist, or jump right over that to a dictatorship.
Yes, I do think I have the liberals summed up. Higher taxes, more social programs, give illegal aliens drivers license, implement draconian firearms laws, use our tax dollars to buy votes from the lazy, etc. I don't have to guess, it is the democrat already established record.
If a party takes from the productive and gives to the unproductive are they not the favored party for the losers?
 

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Well seabass like many things in life I just say follow the money. I think we are in the last stages of democracy where some who find they can vote themselves prosperity will vote for who gives them the most. That's what the democrat party is all about. That's why Obama will take from the productive and give to the lazy. I wonder if we sill become socialist, or jump right over that to a dictatorship.
Yes, I do think I have the liberals summed up. Higher taxes, more social programs, give illegal aliens drivers license, implement draconian firearms laws, use our tax dollars to buy votes from the lazy, etc. I don't have to guess, it is the democrat already established record.
If a party takes from the productive and gives to the unproductive are they not the favored party for the losers?
I have friends making just under the 250k mark and friends over the 250k mark. All democrats. All successful. All willing to pay more in taxes to provide some relief to others who are struggling to get by. No, of course, they don't work for the government; they are private sector people. But see, they don't see the trickle down effect working. They figure we all benefit if we can give citizens easier access to affordable health care, a high quality education, etc., etc. etc. They may not directly benefit, but society will. It's easy to point fingers at "the lazy" and use that as fodder for the end of all social programs. But they (the lazy) represent a fraction of the people who are hard-working yet benefit greatly from tax relief. The much maligned pork that is talked about is also a tiny fraction of the entire budget, but of course it gets all the attention. McCain wants to axe all government spending because it sounds and feels good. It is a mistake. We have too many good programs out there to hatchet them all. You have told us on several occasions how much benefit citizens have received from your position as a federal biologist. Do you think your position should be done away with? I know several scientists that have saved farmers millions of dollars because they found ways to save on pesticides used. Do you think private research (eg. chemical companies) would give this result?

It must get old to be a constant doomsdayer.
 

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I have friends making just under the 250k mark and friends over the 250k mark. All democrats. All successful.
I had a fellow from Texas tell me that you could get on a train in east Texas at sunrise, ride all day, and when the sun set you were still in Texas. I told him "heck we have trains just as slow in North Dakota". My response to your friends making 250K who are democrat is "hey, I have friends just as stupid".

represent a fraction of the people who are hard-working yet benefit greatly from tax relief.
Tax relief? Do you mean like when Clinton gave people back $6000 when they had only paid in $1000? That's not tax relief that's welfare. I don't have problems with welfare for the needy, but I have problems with the needy thinking they have an entitlement to the products of my hard work.

McCain wants to axe all government spending because it sounds and feels good.
That's very easy to repudiate. It isn't true. As a matter of fact it's ludicrous. Outlandish statements don't gain anyone credability.

You have told us on several occasions how much benefit citizens have received from your position as a federal biologist. Do you think your position should be done away with? I know several scientists that have saved farmers millions of dollars because they found ways to save on pesticides used.
There are many worthwhile programs out there no one is denying that. There are some welfare programs that are worthwhile. Taxes for infrastructure we all benefit from. Taxes for education, environmental, new energy sources etc are all worth while. Money going to ACORN and other corrupt political organizations is not worthwhile.
As a federal employee most of the work was worthwhile. Much of the training was worthless. Why? Because when budgets were tight (even when they were not) training like diversity took priority over training to do your job better. A little liberal politically correct influence in government there. Often the trainer knew less than those he thought he was training. I grew up on the Spirit Lake Nation, my neighbors were native American. Pre school I walked through the pasture to gather milk cows with a man by the name of Jimmy Little Ghost. Do you think I learned much about native American culture from a Chicago inner city federal employee?
Yes I was a federal employee, and the closer you get to Washington the more screwed up priorities become. I don't now why government always responds to the political correct crowd. They even respond to PETA. When collecting salamanders we are not supposed to put specimens directly into alcohol which kills them almost instantly because it might be painful. Instead they must be put into 10% alcohol for I think it was about half an hour. I guess some idiot thought that they would become intoxicated and not notice the straight alcohol when we threw them into it. Well my response is try jumping into 10% alcohol and see how your eyes feel. Your back end may not like it either. Some non-biologist emotional fool created torture thinking he was brilliant. :eyeroll:
So you see some government programs are great while others are not worth the doggy due you try scrape from your shoe. It takes someone like McCain at the top and not Obama to ensure our hard earned tax dollars are not wasted.
 
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