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Just a quick question......how can something be "old news" if virtually NO ONE has heard it? Isn't that the very epitome of NEWS?

I don't think I've been under a rock (but I have been up a tree a lot lately :wink:) but I guess I could have missed something.

Has ANYONE here seen the LA Times tape in question?
 

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Of course it's news, and the only ones that don't want to see it are the ones that want Obama at any cost. Why would anyone relegate it unimportant if they were not actually discouraging you from wanting to see it. Why would anyone not want to be fully informed before voting. The only answer is they look up to Obama like a God. Their vote is a form of worship.
Some will vote for Obama for money
Some will vote for Obama to punish those who have money
Some will vote for Obama because some guys are hoping to marry their boyfriend
Some will vote for Obama because set backs to abortion would make them feel guilty for tearing their unborn child from their uterus.
Some will vote for Obama because they want 8.9 months to decide if they want to abort their child
Some will vote for Obama out of desperation
Some will vote for Obama because of racism
Some will vote for Obama out of guilt of racism
Some will vote for Obama because they hate America
Some will vote for Obama because they love all things liberal
Some will vote for Obama because they led a cushy life and don't understand a true enemy (war type, another country, etc)
Some will vote for Obama because they too are Marxists
Some will vote for Obama because they think he will fund the work they do (federal government like I was).
A few will vote for Obama because they truly think it's the right thing to do.
Some will vote for Obama for reasons I can't even imagine, so you will have to fill it in for yourself.
 

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I honestly believe Obama will lose unless his acorn compadres actually succeed. After all, if he's that good, why does he need them? (don't say they aren't there because if CNN cannot ignore them . . . . .)

Sorry, not a kool-aide fan.
So, for Obama to win, it must be ACORN's doing? A few paid staffers got busted for registration fraud. They can register as many "Mickey Mouse"s or "Bruce Wayne"s as they want. They're not going to come out to vote! Check out this article: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/acorn_accusations.html

The thing is that there has been Republican-funded registration fraud as well... It's always somebody slacking off, when they should be out registering people to vote.

Everybody needs to RELAX about ACORN.
 

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Poison? Because fictional characters are going to vote for Obama in droves? Buggs Bunny always did look like a freedom-hating commie to me...
 

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Poison? Because fictional characters are going to vote for Obama in droves? Buggs Bunny always did look like a freedom-hating commie to me...
It's about much more than registering voters. Of course I don't expect fictional characters like Buggs Bunny to vote, but thousands of dead people in Chicago voted for Kennedy way back in the 60's. I think we are more corrupt today than then.
My dislike for ACORN goes far beyond this election. They were part of the problem forcing loan companies to give loans to people who had no chance of paying them back. They now say it was predatory lending. I have a term we can use also, "parasitic borrowing". That is the case where a low income, but greedy person gets a loan with no intention of paying it back.
 

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According to Factcheck.org???

:puke:

Impartial? Independent? NO!
FactCheck and Brady Campaign in Bed with Annenberg Foundation

FactCheck supposedly exists to look beyond a politician's claims. Ironically, in its analysis of NRA materials on Barack Obama, these so-called "FactCheckers" use the election year campaign rhetoric of a presidential candidate and a verbal claim by one of the most zealous gun control supporters in Congress to refute facts compiled by NRA's research of vote records and review of legislative language.

There's another possible explanation behind FactCheck's positions. Just last year, FactCheck's primary funding source, the Annenberg Foundation, also gave $50,000 to the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence for "efforts to reduce gun violence by educating the public and by enacting and enforcing regulations governing the gun industry." Annenberg made a similar grant for $100,000 in 2005. (source)

Regardless of the cause, it's clear that while FactCheck swoons over a politician's rhetoric, NRA prefers to look at the more mundane details - like how that politician voted on a bill and what kind of impact that legislation had or may have had on law-abiding gun owners.
Source: http://tinyurl.com/Factcheck-lies

Even more here: http://tinyurl.com/ban-gun-Obama
 

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Nobody has ever answered the question on how someone can hang around a hunting & outdoors forum and then vote for a person that has a history of trying to eliminate those things?
 

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FactCheck's good enough for Cheney to cite in the '04 VP debate. I'm sticking with 'em. They're not right 100% of the time, but this one is pretty easy to verify.

I bet you blame the refs when your favorite team loses too...

Plainsman: that Factcheck article talks about ACORN's ties to the mortgage crisis too:
The mortgages that ACORN worked out with the banks did have lower underwriting standards than were customary. They allowed a higher percentage of a family's income to go to debt repayment, and counted rent and utility payments, not just credit card payments, as evidence of ability to pay back a loan. The loans were also more forgiving of past credit problems, as long as the recipient was making a proven effort to address them. But ACORN provided loan deals only to people who went through counseling on budget and credit issues. In 1992, First Nationwide Bank Vice President Neal Halleran told the Chicago Tribune: "Transaction by transaction, [loans from the ACORN program] would appear to be performing no worse than our portfolio overall." According to the Tribune, First Nationwide had contacted ACORN to initiate the lending program.
Even if it were true that ACORN was responsible for a lot of loans that wound up in foreclosure, there's no possible way they could have been responsible for significant numbers of bad loans when compared to the total number of bad loans.
 

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So what you are saying is we'll be able to pay for our house but turn in our guns?
 

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Stolen from:

Jim Hoft runs the blog Gateway Pundit, following freedom movements from inside Zimbabwe to the streets of Tehran.


North Carolina
- State Board of Elections officials have found at least 100 voter registration forms with the same names over and over again. The forms were turned in by ACORN. Officials sent about 30 applications to the state Board of Elections for possible fraud investigation.

Ohio - The New York Post reported that a Cleveland man said he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times. The complaints have sparked an investigation by election officials into the organization, whose political wing has supported Barack Obama. Witnesses have already been subpoenaed to testify against the organization.

Nevada - Authorities raided the headquarters of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now on Tuesday October 7, 2008, after a month-long investigation. The fraudulent voter registrations included the Dallas Cowboys starting line-up.

Indiana -
More than 2,000 voter registration forms filed in northern Indiana's Lake County filled out by ACORN employees turned out to be bogus. Officials also stopped processing a stack of about 5,000 applications delivered just before the October 6 registration deadline after the first 2,100 turned out to be phony.

Connecticut - Officials are looking into a complaint alleging ACORN submitted fraudulent voter registration cards in Bridgeport. In one instance, an official said a card was filled out for a 7-year-old girl, whose age was listed as 27. 8,000 cards were submitted in Bridgeport.

Missouri -
The Kansas City election board is reporting 100 duplicate applications and 280 with fake information. Acorn officials agreed that at least 4% of their registrations were bogus. Governor Matt Blunt condemned the attempts by ACORN to commit voter fraud.

Pennsylvania - Officials are investigating suspicious or incomplete registration forms submitted by ACORN. 252,595 voter registrations were submitted in Philadelphia. Remarkably, 57,435 were rejected - most of them submitted by ACORN.

Wisconsin -
In Milwaukee ACORN improperly used felons as registration workers. Additionally, its workers are among 49 cases of bad registrations sent to authorities for possible charges, as first reported by the Journal Sentinel.

Florida -
The Pinellas County Elections supervisor says his office has received around 35 voter registrations that appear to be bogus. There is also a question of 30,000 felons who are registered illegally to vote. Their connections with ACORN are not yet clear.

Texas - Of the 30,000 registration cards ACORN turned in, Harris County tax assessor Paul Bettencourt says just more than 20,000 are valid. And just look at some of the places ACORN was finding those voters. A church just next door is the address for around 150 people. More than 250 people claim a homeless outreach center as their home address. Some listed a county mental health facility as their home and one person even wrote down the Harris County jail at the sheriff's office.

Michigan - ACORN in Detroit is being investigated after several municipal clerks reported fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications coming through. The clerk interviewed said the fraud appears to be widespread.

New Mexico -
The Bernalillo County clerk has notified prosecutors that some 1,100 fraudulent voter registration cards were turned in by ACORN.

That's not all. So far this year at least 14 states have started investigations against ACORN. Talk about a culture of corruption. It is so bad that Representatives of Congress have asked for the Justice Department to investigate, and GOP presidential candidate John McCain is bringing it up in his stump speeches. The Obama camp is stealthily altering its "Fight the Smears" website to distance themselves from the organization - quite a challenge considering how close their candidate's association has been with the group.
 
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