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Guys, there's a new ML powder coming out in 08' called Blackhorn 209.
It's supposed to be on the shelves after it's introduced at the SHOT Show in February. After reading this test report, you can bet I'll be trying it...

All New Muzzleloader Propellant Will Change Muzzleloading One More Time!
Blackhorn 209
Western Powders, of Miles City, MT is about to take modern in-line muzzleloader performance to yet another new level. At the 2008 SHOT Show in Las Vegas this coming February, the company will unveil an all new muzzleloader propellant that has been specifically developed to produce optimum velocities and energy levels with today's popular No. 209 primer ignition in-line rifle models. And it does it with lower peak pressure levels than produced by today's widely used 150-grain black powder substitute pellet charges.

The company's new Blackhorn 209 is definitely not just another black powder substitute. First of all, this propellant is a short-cut, extruded powder. And there is a small hole running through the center of each granule. This is not a nitro-cellulose based powder, but then again its not just another concoction of the same old ingredients of the very similar materisl found in other non-smokeless black powder substitutes. As the powder comes to market, those who want to know will learn more about its chemical make up. Right now, let's just establish that it is non-corrosive...and different.

So, other than how it is granulated and what it is made from, what makes this new powder so special, so different?

Like all other modern muzzleloader powders, Blackhorn 209 is bulkier than real black powder. In fact, a 100-grain volume measured charge of this powder actually weighs in at just under 70 grains. However, due to the exceptional uniformity of the granules, this is easily the best measuring muzzleloader propellant that has ever been available. And largely due to the uniformity of the charges, accuracy is exceptional.

Blackhorn 209 has been formulated to produce top end velocities. In my testing, a 110-grain charge of the powder gets a saboted 250-grain poly-tipped Barnes Spit-Fire TMZ spire-point bullet out of the muzzle of a .50 caliber 26-inch barreled Knight DISC Extreme at 2,053 f.p.s. Shooting the slightly heavier 260-grain Harvester Muzzleloading Scorpion PT Gold ahead of the same amount of powder, velocity is still 2,039 f.p.s. And both of these loads have proven very capable of punching sub 1-inch groups at 100 yards - very consistently!

During my first two range sessions with Blackhorn 209, I ran a lightly dampened patch down the bore between shots...turned it over and ran it down again. I was impressed with how little fouling was on the patch. Early on, the engineers who developed the powder repeatedly shared with me how well Blackhorn 209 performed without wiping the bore between shots. So, during my third range session with the powder, I shot all morning without taking time to run a single patch down the bore. In all, I put more than 40 rounds through a .50 caliber Knight "Long Range Hunter" - and every group printed inside of 1 1/2 inches. My two best were a three-shot 1/2-inch center-to-center group with the Harvester Muzzleloading 300-grain Scorpion PT Gold...and a 3/4" center-to-center five-shot group with the 250-grain Barnes "Spit-Fire TMZ". Both of these groups were fired after the rifle had been shot somewhere between 30 and 40 shots - without once wiping the bore.

At the end of the day, that in-line rifle was broken down and the bore cleaned spotless with just two Hoppe's No. 9 saturated cleaning patches! A few dry ones...a lightly oiled final patch...and the bore was ready to put away. Even with the usual attention to clean primer fouling from the face of the bolt, cleaning the breech plug, and wiping out the receiver, the rifle was cleaned in far less time than when I had shot it with ANY OTHER black powder substitute. And I, for one, really like the idea of not using a soapy water solution to clean my favorite tack-driving modern in-line rifles.

During one five-day hunt this fall, I shot my Knight "Long Range Hunter" a dozen times the day before the hunt to verify that the Leatherwood Hi-Lux HPML (High Performance Muzzleloading) scope was still dead on at a hundred yards - not once wiping the bore between shots. Again, every group stayed pretty much inside of 1 1/2 inches. Then, the rifle was loaded without being cleaned or the bore wiped, and carried the next day on the hunt. That morning, I filled my buck tag - dropping the whitetail at 110 yards. The next day, I took a doe at 65 yards (still the bore had not been wiped). And the day after the hunt, I went to empty the rifle in order to give it a good cleaning. A big dog coyote made the mistake of easing out into an opening of a grown up pasture. I took a rest, centered the crosshairs on its shoulder and sent one of the 300 grain Scorpion PT Gold bullets dead on at 180 yards - out of a "dirty" bore that had been left un-cleaned for four days...with some 14 or 15 shots fired through it. Later that day, when I went to clean the rifle, the breech plug popped right out...as if the rifle hadn't even been shot.

I don't recommend not cleaning your rifle. This was just a test to see how much flexibility Blackhorn 209 gives when it comes to how its fouling affects accuracy or how quickly a rifle must be cleaned after being shot.

In addition to several Knight DISC Extreme models, I've also shot the powder out of a variety of other No. 209 primer ignited .50 caliber in-line rifles (T/C

Omega, MDM Quick Shooter, Traditions Pursuit, Knight Rolling Block, H&R Huntsman). Ignition has been spontaneous...and accuracy very good. The only rifle I ran into a little problem with was the .52 caliber Knight DISC Extreme - and only with the stemmed breech plug that squeezes a little more velocity out of Triple Seven loads. Igniting the Blackhorn 209 loads from near the front of the charge resulted in very noticeable lag time. When the rifle was fitted with a standard non-stemmed breech plug, ignition was spontaneous. With 120-grains of FFFg Triple Seven, and the stemmed plug, this rifle gives me 1,938 f.p.s. with Knight's big 375-grain saboted all-copper spitzer. With the standard DISC Extreme breech plug and 120-grains of Blackhorn 209, the load is good for 1,929 f.p.s. - and 3,099 f.p.e. One nice 140 class buck, taken at 120 yards, went down n the spot.

Blackhorn 209 also gives shorter barreled in-line rifles, like the 20-inch barreled Green Mountain .54-120 Limited Edition, a little more oomph as well. With a full 120-grain charge of FFFg Triple Seven, this .54 carbine length close-cover rifle gets a saboted 325-grain Barnes Expander MZ on its way at 1,821 f.p.s. The same volume measured amount of Blackhorn 209 ups velocity to 1,855 f.p.s..
As with anything that's new, shooters will have to learn a few things necessary for getting optimum performance with Blackhorn 209. One of the most important with this powder is to accept that IT IS A NO. 209 PRIMER ignition ONLY powder.

I tried the powder in an in-line ignition rifle that allowed me to use No. 11 percussion caps or, by swtiching nipples, winged musket caps for ignition. I could not get the powder to ignite with No. 11 caps, and there was a very noticeable hesitation when using the hotter winged musket caps. However, when the same rifle was fitted with a No. 209 primer breech plug and proper hammer face, ignition was extremely spontaneous - when using standard Winchester No. 209A primers. When the special Winchester No. 209

Triple Seven Primer was used, ignition was about the same as with the winged musket caps - with very noticeable hesitation in firing nearly 80-percent of the time. But then, standard Winchester No. 209A primers sell for about half the cost of the special muzzleloader primers, so I couldn't find any down side to that.

Also, this powder does require very consistent compression for consistent velocities. During one very warm weather early fall range session, I discovered that snug fitting sabot and bullet combinations are important. When I played around with some of the newer "easy loading" sabots (most of which are basically just undersized), velocities dropped as much as 100 f.p.s. when compared to shooting the same charge and bullet loaded with a normal fitting sabot. For instance, on that day with temperatures around 80 degrees, when shooting the Harvester Muzzleloading "Scorpion PT Gold" bullets, swtiching from the standard "Crush Rib" sabot to the tighter fitting red-color High Compression Sabot (developed for the smokeless Savage 10ML II), velocities were higher and more consistent.

The more I shoot with Blackhorn 209, the more impressed I am. Here, at last, is a muzzleloader powder that truly permits the muzzleloading hunter to spend an entire day in the field, or week in hunting camp, without having to wipe the bore, whether the rifle was shot once or several dozen times. And on the performance side, the powder shoots with very consistent accuracy and impressive velocities. According to Western Powders, Blackhorn 209 produces those bullet speeds with a lower peak pressure than equivalent loads of Triple Seven. - Toby Bridges, NORTH AMERICAN MUZZLELOADER HUNTING
Five shots through one ragged elongated hole at 100 yards - and from a bore that had been shot at least 30 times without being wiped.

(Birchwood Casey "Big Burst" target.)
The 250-grain Barnes "Spit-Fire TMZ" has been one of the better shooting bullets with Blackhorn No. 209 powder. A 110 gr. charge gets it out fo the Knight DISC Extreme at 2,053 f.p.s.
This three-shot hundred yard group measures just 1/2" center-to-center - shot with 110-grains of Blackhorn 209 and the Harvester 260-grain "Scorpion PT Gold". (Birchwood Casey "Big Burst" target.)
For his fall hunts with a .50 caliber Knight DISC Extreme, Toby Bridges used the heavier 300-grain "Scorpion PT Gold". As this was written, he had taken one buck and three does with the bullet and Blackhorn 209 powder - all went down within 10 yards of where they were standing when hit.
Bridges took this big dog coyote at the end of a five-day hunt, making the 180 yard shot with a rifle that had been shot 14 or 15 times during that period - without having the bore wiped once.
Shooting 120-grains of Blackhorn 209 and Knight's big 375-grain .475 "Red Hot" bullet, Bridges literally dropped this buck in its tracks at 120 yards with his .52 DISC Extreme.
The hotter performance of Blackhorn 209 squeezes a bit more velocity out of shorter barreled primer-ignition in-line rifles, like the Green Mountain "Limited Edition" .54-120.
Published 12-06-07
 

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Pard, I shot a Hawkens and BP or Pyrodex for years. God bless you if that's your choice, you won't hear me necking on you for it....
 

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Geez, did you write that article? Then how am I 'necking' on you? After the other thread I can see where you're coming from on this one for sure.

I've just about every bp substitute out there and have gone back to the real stuff just because of so much hooey about the always new and better substitutes that come out every other year. Seems like the goal is to turn every BP gun into a centerfire.
 

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Sorry, I over-reacted, seems everything a guy posts gets put into the modern vs trad mode. I thought thats' where you were coming from...

I just saw a picture of one of the production bottles, looks like it will be sold by the 10 oz bottle not the pound like every other powder. Wonder what's up with that?...
 

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Whats up with the 10 oz bottle you ask? :eek: Don't take a rocket cadet to figure out it is MONEY, DOLLARS in the pocket of the MFG. 10 oz at $23.00 is a lot more than the $20.00 my local gun store sells T 7 for at a pound. Yup I use T7 as real black in this area is like hens teeth.
But if you don't have to clean your ML cause you used that stuff and the T7 primers, I guess some will call that great. I call it lazyness. Personally I like to take a few evenings and clean my rifles and shot guns just to fondle them, even if they haven't been shot in months.

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All black powder and black powder substitutes have a shelf life. On the average, water soluble black powder substitues will absorb 7-12% of its weight in moisture. Blackhorn 209 is not water soluble therefore will not absorb moisture. It is clean burning, lower pressures, higher velocities. I dont blame you for wanting to stick to AP or Jim Shockey's or T7 or Pyrodex or Black powder. and they reccomend using standard 209 shotshell primers with Blackhorn.
But I wouldnt try it if you are against new products. Let the lazy ones use it and become spoiled by technology and the new products. You do use the original sidelocks and pour your own roundballs right? And I assume that you are a bowhunter and you use a homemade longbow with flint arrowheads? You are strictly old fashioned, right???
 

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$23/10oz = $36.80/lb Must be good stuff to price so high.....

My last purchase of Goex BP was $11.85/can and the one before that was $8.00/can. (1 can=1 lb) Since I have not yet even used up the previous cans before these two purchases, you can see I have no business running out and buying new substitutes....

BTW, that article hints that this stuff might have some ignition difficulties....but that is the beauty of waiting to see what happens.....let the early adopters and first movers have at it.

I will just wait until this new stuff is about 100yrs old and becomes traditional......or will it be replaced by something even better in 2yrs?

Either way, I am knapping some more gunflints and making some of those "flint broadheads" while I am at it. (hint: there are no flint broadheads....just arrowheads.)

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:eek: $36.80 a pound for powder and :eek: $8.00 a hundred for the special Ml 209 primers. Cheap if ya don't want to clean your equipment.
I would just go buy a Savage and use smokeless.

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Based on a $30 retail for a 10-ounce container, a 100-grain volume measured charge will set a shooter back right at 48-cents per shot. Based on a $24 retail for a 16-ounce container of loose grain Triple Seven, the same volume measured amount runs about 25-cents per shot. Triple Seven Pellets cost about 50-cents per shot for a 100-grain charge, 75-cents per shot for a 150-grain charge. And it takes the heftier three-pellet 150-grain charge to duplicate the velocity and energy produced by the 110-grain charge of Blackhorn 209 I used to harvest my buck this past season. (That amount of Blackhorn 209 costs right at 53-cents per shot.)

Where I see some savings with Blackhorn 209 is that it ignites best when using standard strength No. 209 shot-shell primers, which retail for 3-cents (or less) each. Triple Seven tends to perform best with a specialized "Muzzleloading" primer like Winchester's Triple Seven Primer that retails for about twice that amount. And the ease of cleaning really cuts back on the amount of cleaning patches and cleaning solvent needed to get a modern primer-ignited in-line rifle spotless. (taken from www.biggamehunt.net)

Nope,,,I wouldnt try it...anything this good just can't be true ,,,can it???
 

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I've been called a lot of things, "lazy" isn't one I've heard too often. Particularly in regard to hunting, firearms, reloading, or maintainance of my weapons...

Have done more than my share of BP and Pyrodex, can't say the word "enjoy" ever entered my mind cleaning up my old Hawken when I shot that stuff. I always equated cleaning up after a session with BP or Pyrodex to cleaning a litterbox, but the litterbox took less time to clean and was less foul.

Thank God for T7. It takes maybe 5 minutes to clean my rifle after a shooting session, but even better actually smells like cleaning a rifle (not unpleasant) rather than making a swill of charcoal, sulphur, and rotten eggs. I don't see where BH209 can improve on that, but if it does, I'll take your share too!

But if I can get better and more reliable ML performance which translates to improved terminal performance on game, I'll take all I can beg, borrow, or steal, thanks much...
 

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I can't say that cleaning was ever that big a deal to me....more like a labor of love, like taking care of the horse before taking care of myself.

I don't even mind the smell of the Real McCoy.... and knowing that I am sharing something, a connection with great men of the past, when giants walked the continent. But I am known to be a romantic.

I WILL allow that on a hog hunting trip last weekend, I hunted the day with a flintlock, but I hunted the night with a scoped suppository gun, .30-06 Rem700 turnbolt, with a red flashlight attached. I killed the only hog of the weekend with the .30-06 the first night (up close and personal in the night woods). So I am not anti-modern technology at all.....but the 2nd night I did put the redlight on my flintlock instead of the suppostitory gun.... :D

I also enjoyed cleaning the .30-06, having not shot it in a few years (using rounds I bought in the 1980s for $8/box of 20!). I think really sharp ladies might consider using Hoppes #9 instead of Chanel #7....!

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Hopps # 9 smells will always remind me of standing by my dads knee as he swabed the bore of his 16ga. shotgun when I was very little. I think of him every time I clean a shotgun or center fire as that is what I use today even.
The muzzle loaders still get the hot soapy water evewn the inlines.

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yea im definately gonna get rid of this last box of pellets and start up on loose powder.

i got about 12 shots left i figure ill use them to get on paper...then fine tune with powder
 

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I like to try new products, but have to curb my tendencies with a tight budget.
I see easy, quick cleaning as an advantage if due to circumstances beyond our control, we just don't have the time for 20 minutes to clean a gun. Now, don't get uptight at that comment. I'm not planning on it. Thus, the "circumstances beyond our control" disclaimer. We all know that in spite of lots of careful planning, S*** just sometimes happens. Then a quick clean is handy. It's still fun just to sit and lovingly clean our guns, when we have the time.
 

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Keep in mind 10 ounces of BH 209 is volumetricly equivalent to 1 lb of T7

Hear are a cpl pics from last weekend's range session.

These were the 27, 28, & 29 rounds down the bore. Each loaded as easily as the first. Not a single swab. Nothing. Load and shoot



 
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