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I don't remember the authors name, but back in the late 1960's a very liberal fellow wrote a book called "Big Brother is watching" or something to that affect. His premis was that the conservatives would use government to watch you. Isn't it odd that it was the Clintons who misused FBI files and that's ok, but the Bush administration uses wire taps on known terrorist sympathizers and that's bad.

Now we look at Joe the Plumber and what do we find? For the full story see:
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/lo ... ml?sid=101

Checks on 'Joe' more extensive than first acknowledged
Tax, welfare info also sought on McCain ally
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:05 PM
By Randy Ludlow

Amy Sancetta | AP
Joe Wurzelbacher, also known as "Joe the Plumber," signs autographs at a rally with GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.
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A state agency has revealed that its checks of computer systems for potential information on "Joe the Plumber" were more extensive than it first acknowledged.

Helen Jones-Kelley, director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, disclosed today that computer inquiries on Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher were not restricted to a child-support system.

The agency also checked Wurzelbacher in its computer systems to determine whether he was receiving welfare assistance or owed unemployment compensation taxes, she wrote.

Jones-Kelley made the revelations in a letter to Ohio Senate President Bill M. Harris, R-Ashland, who demanded answers on why state officials checked out Wurzelbacher.

Harris called the multiple records checks "questionable" and said he awaits more answers. "It's kind of like Big Brother is looking in your pocket," he said.
 

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It was 1984 by George Orwell. His other famous work was Animal Farm, which was a critique of political power, and totalitarian Russia, in particular. I don't know if I'd call him a "liberal". He did admire the ideals of communism, but realized that its application is impossible... his big conclusion was that he was against the accumulation of too much power, which 1984 also reflects.
 

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The end (Obama's win) will justify the means (cheating).
 

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One example - and remember if they are registered, someone can vote under that registration.

CLEVELAND - A man at the center of a voter-registration scandal told The Post yesterday he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times, in apparent violation of Ohio laws.

"Sometimes, they come up and bribe me with a cigarette, or they'll give me a dollar to sign up," said Freddie Johnson, 19, who filled out 72 separate voter-registration cards over an 18-month period at the behest of the left-leaning Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

"The ACORN people are everywhere, looking to sign people up. I tell them I am already registered. The girl said, 'You are?' I say, 'Yup,' and then they say, 'Can you just sign up again?' " he said.

Johnson used the same information on all of his registration cards, and officials say they usually catch and toss out duplicate registrations. But the practice sparks fear that some multiple registrants could provide different information and vote more than once by absentee ballot.

ACORN is under investigation in Ohio and at least eight other states - including Missouri, where the FBI said it's planning to look into potential voter fraud - for over-the-top efforts to get as many names as possible on the voter rolls regardless of whether a person is registered or eligible.

It's even under investigation in Bridgeport, Conn., for allegedly registering a 7-year-old girl to vote, according to the State Elections Enforcement Commission.

Meanwhile, a federal judge yesterday ordered Ohio's Secretary of State to verify the identity of newly registered voters by matching them with other government documents. The order was in response to a Republican lawsuit unrelated to the ACORN probe in Cuyahoga County, in which at least three people, including Johnson, have been subpoenaed.

Bribing citizens with gifts, property or anything of value is a fourth-degree felony in Ohio, punishable by up to 18 months in prison. And it's a fifth-degree felony - punishable by 12 months in jail - for a person to pay "compensation on a fee-per-registration" system when signing up someone to vote.

Johnson, who works at a cellphone kiosk in downtown Cleveland, said he was a sitting duck for the signature hunters, but was always happy to help them out in exchange for a smoke or a little scratch. He'd collected 10 to 20 cigarettes and anywhere from $10 to $15, he said.

The Cleveland voting probe, first reported by The Post yesterday, also focused on Lateala Goins, who said she put her name on multiple voter registrations. She guessed ACORN canvassers then put fake addresses on them. "You can tell them you're registered as many times as you want - they do not care," she said.

ACORN spokesman Kris Harsh said the group does not tolerate its workers paying people to sign the voter-registration cards.

ACORN's political wing has endorsed Barack Obama for president, but Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for the Obama campaign in Ohio, said ACORN has no role in its get-out-the-vote drive.

During the primary season, however, the Obama camp paid another group, Citizen Service Inc., $832,598 for various political services, according to Federal Elections Commission filings. That group and ACORN share the same board of directors.

In Wisconsin yesterday, John McCain blasted ACORN.

"No one should be corrupting the most precious right we have, that is the right to vote," he said.

It's a right Johnson will exercise. "Yeah, I've registered enough - I might as well vote."
Obama's campaign gave an ACORN subsidiary, over $800,000 to do these things.

So if there is nothing to registration, why bother?
 

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It was 1984 by George Orwell. His other famous work was Animal Farm, which was a critique of political power, and totalitarian Russia, in particular. I don't know if I'd call him a "liberal". He did admire the ideals of communism, but realized that its application is impossible... his big conclusion was that he was against the accumulation of too much power, which 1984 also reflects.
Wow I thought it was a lot longer ago than that. So much for my memory. I know the term had been used for a long time. The 60's yuppies used the term a lot. I guess I messed up the words used and when the book actually came out.

Omegax the far left liberal is communism. Extreme left I know, but that's it. Socialism is just a step in the ladder to communism. It's only a matter of degrees. Socialism takes from a few like the rich, and gives it to some, but still leaving variable wealth within society. Communism takes everything from everyone and gives back equal proportions.

Who had to much power in 1984, didn't we have a republican president and a democrat congress? Would it compare to 2009? It looks like our future may be very unbalanced.
 

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One guy isn't going to be allowed to vote 72 times. A 7 year-old girl isn't going to be able to vote. That's why they have you check in at your precinct.

The Obama campaign gave ACORN the money to register unregistered voters. McCain's campaign has done the same with other groups. ACORN, in turn was, paying people based on the number of sheets they turned in, which it appears the canvassers took advantage of. They slacked off, and filled in fraudulent sheets to defraud ACORN out of money, not to influence the vote. As I've said, there have been registration fraud cases in McCain linked groups as well. It is really a non-story.

It sounds scary, but as long as they are even remotely doing their jobs at the precincts, there's no threat, even if some of these people get registered. Heck, we don't even HAVE registration in ND, and we don't worry about this stuff.

More often than not, when you lose, you do it fair and square.
 

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Plainsman: the novel "1984" was written in England in 1949. The basic gist is that in the distant future (1984), there would be a totalitarian government led by "Big Brother" that watched everything you did. I've been meaning to read it, but I couldn't tell you what the leanings of the fictional government are.

The theme between "1984" and "Animal Farm" (which I did read a long time ago) is a hatred of one group concentrating too much power. Orwell acknowledged the Utopian aspects of communism, but basically said that it can never work, even if it sounds good... basically, if it's too good to be true, it probably is. So, yes, he doesn't outright dismiss communism on paper, but he says it can't work in practice.

I will say this: "Animal Farm" is about as anti-communist as possible.
 

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It sounds scary, but as long as they are even remotely doing their jobs at the precincts,
That's what worries me, them not doing their job at the precinct. I can't remember how thousands of dead people voted for Kennedy, but they did in Chicago. The election was over for some time before it was discovered.

By the way, thanks for the update on Big Brother and the information on Animal Farm. I appreciated it. My memory needed your help. :beer:
 
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