Protests at the Capital....

by **southdakbearfan** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:05 pm

Plainsman wrote:I am listening to many callers on Rush Limbaugh thst were at the rally. By the way it doesnt look like Rush has many days left so listen while he is still alive. Anyway. this last guy said a fellow with a black hoody and a black face mask came up and crouched behind him and his friend then ignited a flare and threw it at the cops. He said everything was peaceful until a group of violent people showed up.

That’s probably the way most of these things start out. I am sure at many of the protests that turned into riots over the summer it was a small, violent, percentage committing most of the atrocities.

And I still go back to those that fan the flames with their rhetoric are just as if not more guilty than those lighting the fuse.

Good... that is a starting point.

Now do you blame the media (ALL MEDIA) about stoking the flames. They have for 4 years called anyone who supports Trump a Racist, Nazi, Deplorable, Uneducated, traitors, liars, etc. THis can also be said about what some say about Dem's and calling them Communists, Socialists, baby killers, etc.

Not everyone fits the shoe that the media wants to portray. Not all Dem's believe in abortion.... not all dem's believe in socialism... etc.

But the media kept driving things and saying these things.... they flamed just as much as others. :bop:

by **Chuck Smith** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 3:35 pm

Actually.... listen to how the media is going off right now....

Honestly... do you think they are at all helping the situation???

I remember during the BLM and ANTIFA protests some on FOX said that it is a few bad actors that are doing the most damage...and also they talked about how elected officials needed to come out and condemn them... yet they didn't.

But just wait and keep watching... I hope I am wrong. But I dont see the media at all letting up and things could get worse... I hope not... but just wait. The more the media calls people uneducated, racist, nazi, facists, etc. People will explode.

Talked with alot of friends yesterday about what went down.... they were ticked off how the media was going off on the subject. They said they were getting upset and could see why all of this happened.

Now also look how Twitter and other Social media outlets are purging followers of conservatives.... hmmmm.

Remember when I talked about how or who controls the media or how they lean politically.... :poke:

by **KEN W** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:07 pm

Time for Vice President Pence to walk into the oval office and say

"Mr President it's over for you. Get on Air Force 1 and fly to Mira Lago and play golf for the next 2 weeks. I will take care of the government until President elect Biden takes over."

I do not trust what this wacko can still do in the next 2 weeks.

by **huntin1** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:13 pm

KEN W wrote:NO WAY......those were far right Trump supporters. You seem to be blinded by your misguided support for a guy who needs to be indicted for inciting a riot. Thank God we only have to live with this WACKO for 2 more weeks. If we are lucky he will be removed from office before then.

Trump and his sons and the wacko Giuliani telling the crowd to go into combat mode and then march to the Capital should all be indicted for inciting a riot. Enough is enough.

Really Ken? Then explain this guy.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...the-capitol-n2582766

Utah Man With a History of Organizing Violent Antifa, BLM Protests, Was Inside the Capitol

A young man named John Sullivan was there. He's from Utah and the founder of "Insurgence USA," which is a group dedicated to "racial justice and police reform." According to numerous news reports, he has a history of organizing leftist protests and identifies with Black Lives Matter.

Over the summer, Sullivan was arrested after organizing a violent riot in Utah that ended with a shooting. One of the host groups was the Salt Lake Antifascist [Antifa] Coalition.

At the U.S. Capitol, Sullivan was standing next to Trump supporter Ashli Babbitt when she was shot and killed by a police officer. In fact, he filmed it.

KUTV has confirmed a Utah man involved in violent protests in Utah this Spring was in D.C & stormed the Capitol amid violent protests.
@JimSpiewak
spoke to him. The story on 2 News at 10. His most often used hashtags: #blm #antifa #burn #fuckthesystem #abolishthepolice #fucktrump

On two of his Twitter feeds, you'll find retweets of footage from Black Lives Matter riots. His profile photo advertises a planned anti-Trump rally on January 6. His Instagram page, where additional footage of previous riots and protests was posted, is no longer available. He also retweeted an Antifa page.

He is an organizer. It is believed that he never goes anywhere with less than 30-40 followers, so if he was there, you can bet there were more.

I think that you are blinded by an unreasonable hatred for one man. Question is, are you like the Democrats in Washington, so consumed by your hatred that you are willing to destroy this democracy just to be rid of him? Because they most assuredly are willing to do just that.

by **KEN W** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:19 pm

Explain about the Proud Boys all over the riot. Including that yahoo in the Native American outfit with a helmet with horns.

I am not blinded at all.....it's the Trump buddies who can't see what most of us see....thank God he only has 2 weeks to gi at the most.

by **huntin1** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 6:30 pm

No, you first. You are the one who claimed it was all Trump supporters.

by **KEN W** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:18 pm

Picking out the ones with the red hats was easy. And not all of them had red hats.

by **Plainsman** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:46 pm

KEN W wrote:Picking out the ones with the red hats was easy. And not all of them had red hats.

Oh my please tell me your not as simple as the old cowboy movies where the guy with the black hat was always the bad guy and the guy with the white hat was always the good guy. You should apply for a job with the CIA or some organization like that. They dont have anyone with the skills to spot bad guys like you do. You should call them and tell them to look for red hats. Its a good thing the bad guys were not smart enough to wear blue hats right? Do you think adults these days are smart enough to wear clothing that makes them look ----- no they are not smart enough to fool you. I should know better. :poke:

I dont know if I should laugh or cry.

Ken I think back to your posts during the impeachment. I wasnt impressed with your jumping to conclusions. Now you double down. Im simply trmying to shock you into slowing down and giving things a little more time to play out and think of all the possible scenarios. You have to admit judging situation by hat color was crazy funny.

Seriously Ken there are a lot of scammers out there looking for victims. They see that hat post they will put on a democrst sticker. show up at your door, and sell you a box of horse dung for $1800 ounce gold.

by **southdakbearfan** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:12 pm

If there was more than 13 days left in the presidency I think he would be gone via the 25th.

Look at all the people leaving the administration, look at the former cabinet members calling him out, look at the former people in high places, all that trump brought in calling him out. Former presidents, secretaries of state, attorney generals, ambassadors, republican and democrats are all agreeing on this episode. Hell even Mitch and Lindsey have had enough of his crap.

I am sure there were some agitators, no doubt, just like I am sure there were some fringe trump fans agitating the BLM protests as well. It still doesn't excuse those that fanned the flames in either instance.

The republican party has always been better than this, until trump. The win at all costs regardless of the means has cost them dearly and I fear it will be a long lasting defeat unless things change.

by **Plainsman** » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:24 pm

Because there is no loyalty and the media, ANTIFA , and democrats fooled a large majority of the public. You dont like Trump. but if your going to try find a good guy in DC your going to die of old age looking. They are all for power, money, and themselves. Its only a matter of bad, worse, and worst people. At least Trump did many good things while he was in. That angers them because they all play off one another. Democrat snd republican make promises they dont keep. Trump did and that rocks the swamp. What country are you a citizen of, and what flag do you swear an allegiance to? If its America is there anything wrong with America first?

PS. I wish this stinking phone would give me a comma and not a period when I click comma. :ticked:

by **southdakbearfan** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:56 am

Plainsman wrote:Because there is no loyalty and the media, ANTIFA , and democrats fooled a large majority of the public. You dont like Trump. but if your going to try find a good guy in DC your going to die of old age looking. They are all for power, money, and themselves. Its only a matter of bad, worse, and worst people. At least Trump did many good things while he was in. That angers them because they all play off one another. Democrat snd republican make promises they dont keep. Trump did and that rocks the swamp. What country are you a citizen of, and what flag do you swear an allegiance to? If its America is there anything wrong with America first?

PS. I wish this stinking phone would give me a comma and not a period when I click comma. :ticked:

I thought he was a con man and repugnant long before he became president, when they nominated him I couldn’t believe it, an that people continue to buy his constant lies baffles me.

I just refuse to fall in line because the party nominated and acquiesced to him. No doubt everything that has been done in his administration is not bad, but I do believe his bad far outweighs the good.

I also believe trump did nothing to the swamp but make it worse. He was shady as hell as a business man and nothing he has done in office leads me to believe he has changed.

You are right in that the system as a whole needs a change to get the money out of it. Lobbyist, super pac fundraising and the citizens United decision really dicked up the entire thing. Corporations and super pacs basically having unfettered donation ability have made corruption run rampant.

by **Chuck Smith** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:12 am

https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/statu ... 8389964800

This is what is sad.... people are LYING.... they are trying to push a racial divide even more.

A guy with his feet on the ground said force was used. SOMEONE WAS SHOT AND KILLED.... but yet the VP-elect is pushing a racial narrative. THAT IS WHAT IS WRONG!!! :bop:

Also she forgets how she and others all year have called for POLICE TO STAND DOWN.... so if they did... you can't say race... because they stood down in Minneapolis, DC, NYC, SEATLE, etc... So sick of everything has to be about race and not just about IDIOTS.

by **Plainsman** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:21 am

You are right in that the system as a whole needs a change to get the money out of it. Lobbyist, super pac fundraising and the citizens United decision really dicked up the entire thing. Corporations and super pacs basically having unfettered donation ability have made corruption run rampant.

I agree completely bearfan. I have never thought Trump was a great human, but he accompliashed much and the direction he took was much better than the alternative. At the end of this year I think you will agree with me.

Only the supper rich and the lazy want socialism. The rich want to play kings and peasants while the lazy want the ambitiouse to support them whilevthe sit on their a$$.

Edit: Anyone have a dollar amount of the damage done by the rioters? Did they set any fires? Did they hurt anyone? If not maybe there were not any liberals in the crowd.

by **Plainsman** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:45 am

Now we hear the capitol police turned down offers for assistance, and they opened the barriers to let people in.

I remember the Tea Party and radicals said they would infiltrate. They did and the media knew who to talk to when they went to rallies. They would pick a fellow who really wasnt a Tea Party member and he would say something really stupid. Then there are people who are simply trouble makers. To be very honest I think 25% of the peolle who breeched the capital were ANITA type trouble makers and the ones who followed were idiots. Yup there are some conservative idiots. Try find a liberal who is honest enough----- ok now Im in fantasy land, liberal and honest shouldnt be in the same sentence.

by **KEN W** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:09 pm

"The most incompetent President in the history of America"

After watching more video from last night and seeing him, his son and his personal lawyer telling the crowd to march to the capital and get ready for combat.....they all need to be indicted for inciting a riot. They are just as guilty as the mob who broke in. At least this wacko isn't going to the inauguration on the 20th. And he is not wanted by anyone to go.

This wacko has made our country look like a third world dictator trying to overthrow a presidential election.

No more reading Tweets from this buffoon. He has been banned. To bad he wasn't banned 4 years ago.

by **Plainsman** » Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:52 pm

telling the crowd to march to the capital and get ready for combat....

Since its hard to find things that I dont believe ever existed maybe you can check utube and show us that statement. Im sure if Trump said something like that Utube would want the whole world to see it. They did delete him calling for peace.

by **Canuck** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:19 am

Plainsman is it hard to breathe when you have your head buried that far in the sand?
Do you not watch ANY mainstream television?
How can you say you did not see Rudy tell people to prep for combat????
Don Junior????????
Special Advisor to the President Ivanka?????
What do you watch?
Cartoons apparently.

by **Canuck** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:25 am

Prophetic words from decades ago??

by **Plainsman** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:44 am

Canuck wrote:Prophetic words from decades ago??

Stop talking about Obama he is gone. Well out of the Whitehouse.

by **KEN W** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:47 am

Trump will be impeached. Even if it goes beyond Jan 20 and he is out of office. Part of impeachment includes not being able to run for office in the future.

by **Plainsman** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:50 am

Canuck wrote:Plainsman is it hard to breathe when you have your head buried that far in the sand?
Do you not watch ANY mainstream television?
How can you say you did not see Rudy tell people to prep for combat????
Don Junior????????
Special Advisor to the President Ivanka?????
What do you watch?
Cartoons apparently.

Thren you will have no problem with a video. I watch about everything, but I didnt hear that. If it was not live I wouldnt believe it. They do most things out of context if not live.

by **Plainsman** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:01 am

How long will they be able to suppress the truth. Video evidence that common people post disappears. A video I posted yesterday is gone. Nothing untruthfull, nothing violent, no valid resson other than suppressing truth.

Many peolle who were there are now telling their stories. Videos of the police pulling the barricaded aside and allowing people up the steps of the capitol are removed, why? They said as they walked dressed as normall people younger people dressed in black with hoodies started walking with the crowd csrrying bull horns and using fowl language. These same people were the ones who started screaming on their bull horns storm the Bastille. The phrase itself doesnt sound like something from a conservative mouth.

by **Plainsman** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:03 am

KEN W wrote:Trump will be impeached. Even if it goes beyond Jan 20 and he is out of office. Part of impeachment includes not being able to run for office in the future.

Thats because they know next election the people will watch closely. The communists know they lostvthis time, and they know Trump would win in 2024. This is simply criminals coveringbtheir a$$.

by **KEN W** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:31 am

Some members of the Nazi party will will most likely go along with impeachment .

by **Plainsman** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:01 am

KEN W wrote:Some members of the Nazi party will will most likely go along with impeachment .

That woukd not surprise me. The RINOs will certainly go along with it. Traitors like Romney will be thrilled. Brain washed old McCain will be smiling in his grave. All democrats will be proud of leaving their burdonsom integrity at the alter of socialism.

by **KEN W** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:11 am

All your opinion......not true.

by **Plainsman** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:48 pm

All your opinion, and please consider your record on these things.

by **Plainsman** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:55 pm

KEN W wrote:Some members of the Nazi party will will most likely go along with impeachment .

Nazi party?
Nazi burn books
Democrats censor conservatives on new and internet.
Democrats are socialists and so were Nazi even though femocrats are trying to destroy that image of Nazi. Why woukd they do that? Because they dont want anyone to know how radical they are. Watch this administration suck up to Iran and vrap on Israel. Remember how ticked they were that Trump moved the embassy? This administration will destroy the mid east peace.

by **KEN W** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:05 pm

Nazis are on the far right.....storm the capital. Proud boys.....wearing shirts that say. These are some of the people Trump says he is proud of....

6MWE....6 million wasn't enough.....Camp Auchwitz

by **speckline** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:14 pm

The level of censorship exhibited by social media is comparable only to the censorship enacted by the nazis in 1933 with the book burning.
With that, add the dumbocraps attempting to rewrite history and redefine words to meet their objectives.
Just watch the civil liberties go away in the next few years now that the dumbocraps are in office.

by **KEN W** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:18 pm

Not....only Repugnicans and the far right Nazi, Skinhead, and Proud Boys

by **Plainsman** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:16 pm

https://youtu.be/lX2gQsQElJY

https://youtu.be/0FdQfbWKB-Y

https://youtu.be/mkPXIrUSrf8

This doesnt look like a riot. https://youtu.be/y9WPuA6EUaw

by **speckline** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:10 pm

Ken,
There is no way you can say that social media is not censoring republicans and promoting liberal socialism.
The censorship is being performed by the left just like nazi's did and you know it!

by **Plainsman** » Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:17 pm

only Repugnicans

Thats a sick minded elitist (liberal ) attitude.

Your wrong about Nazi too. Have you not noticed they hate the "Jews" just like democrats.

by **KEN W** » Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:43 am

As long as the people here call my party Dumbocrats your party will be Repugnicans.

There is an old saying....."What's good for the goose is good for the gander." or this....."What yea shall sow, Yea shall reap" or maybe this.....What goes around comes around."

So if I'm a sick minded elitist then you (NAZI far right)definitely are also.

We are not godless bas=×%$ards or the pedophile party. You continue to call my party all these names, then I will do the same for yours.

And I'm tired of being called a Communist. So until that stops.....you will be called a Nazi.

How about we just stick with Liberal(I'm a Moderate) and Conservative?

by **Chuck Smith** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:43 am

Ken...

if you can't open your eyes right now and see how social media and some companies (THAT ARE OWNED AND RUN BY LIBERALS) are acting by censoring people or deleting their APP... you are blind. Sorry it is sad but true. If you see how these people are not acting like the Nazi's by trying to control information... you are blind.

I have been saying this for awhile and you dismiss it. But Twitter, Facebook, and now Amazon, Apple, and Mircrosoft.... are all acting like Nazi's. They are trying to censor PRALER. Which if you can still get it or get on it.... it is an open platform. People are not getting censored, deleted, etc. But big tech is scared of this because the bias is getting shown to the people.

Like Tucker and others has stated..... The Iatola has an active account talking about destruction of jews and others.... yet his account isn't getting censored.... but Republican's are? Look how they handled the Hunter Biden Story? Look how other far left extremist groups... ANTIFA and BLM who are talking about hurting reporters (Andy Ngo) and to cause civil distress are not getting shut down or posts getting deleted.... why is that??? Same goes for even actual NAZI groups... their accounts are not getting shut down... Just Republicans.... why is this??

Again.... if you dont see this as a huge issue something is wrong. You are blinded by hatred for Trump.

Again... what I am talking about isn't a Republican vs Democrat thing.... it is about censorship and freedom of speech. This should scare the hell out of everyone.

by **KEN W** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:10 pm

Sorry Chuck but if you and others here can't see that the Trump insurrection last Wed. wasn't domestic terrorism then you are the one who is blind.

After supporters of President Trump descended on the U.S. Capitol building, hoping to stop the counting of electoral college votes, lawmakers and experts alike repeated a phrase to describe the violent mob: “domestic terrorists.”

“Those who performed these reprehensible acts cannot be called protesters; no, these were rioters and insurrectionists, goons and thugs, domestic terrorists,” after lawmakers reconvened. “They do not represent America.”

Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said Thursday that the band of people who occupied the House floor were “terrorists, not patriots,” evoking the fact that September will mark 20 years since the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

“What happened today was domestic terrorism,” GOP spokesman Michael Ahrens tweeted.

These wacko's yelling "Hang Vice President Pence" and trying to break into the House and Senate chambers are terrorists. And should be prosecuted. Same goes for their enablers.

by **KEN W** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:00 pm

Trump needs to be impeached. Even if it goes beyond Jan 20. He needs to pay for incinerating a riot. There has to be consequences for his actions.

It would keep him from running for public office again.

Lose his retirement pay.

Lose his Health Insurance

Lose his Secret Service protection.

by **Chuck Smith** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:25 pm

Ken....

I am not talking about impeachment, what happened at the capital or the fact that twitter suspended his account for violation of "its rules". I am talking about FREE SPEECH ISSUES. I am talking about how they suspend Trump but not the Iatola or far right and far left nut bags. Those accounts are still open. They haven't suspended accounts that called for violence against a reporter (Andy Ngo), they havent suspened accounts that call for violence agaisnt conservatives or to burn down and riot (ANTIFA AND BLM IN PORTLAND)... they are just picking on Trump to make an example.... not these others. They are not following their own "guidelines". They are just surpressing one political group. THAT IS SCARY... and is what is happen in Nazi germany.

Again.... if you cant see this... you are blinded by hate. Again this isn't a Trump thing... This isn't a Dem's verse Republican thing.... IT IS FREE SPEECH and how a few are trying to supress the freedom of one specific group.

Twitter, Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, etc.... are all right now dealing with FREE SPEECH issues. That is what should scare the crap out of everyone. They are targeting Republicans, conservatives, etc. They are trying to rule it all. If you dont think this is an issue.... Facebook bought Instagram a few years ago... well that purchase was found to be in violation of some antitrust stuff. I am not sure where it is now... but Facebook got into trouble because they bought it to squash it. Now they needed to do some legal work or something. Again not sure how it ended up because of course the Media isn't reporting on it... LOL. But I know they were violating laws and what not.

Like I have talked about in other threads.... this could get really interesting. Freedom of speech issues... anti trust issues... etc. I hope Praler sues.

But my comparison is that social media groups... Twitter, Facebook, etc. Along with CNN, MSNBC, etc... all havent been reporting the truth, are curbing stories, are flying off the handle in one direction but never make corrections, etc. Those groups are acting like the media in Nazi germany. Where only oneside of the story is getting told... not both! Where they will supress other stories that go against the owners political beliefs, etc. If you cant see this you are blind!!!!

If you go back and look what I wrote i talked about how Trump speech wasn't that agressive like they are talking about on the news. Rudy's speech was. :bop:

But so have other other political leaders....ie: Pelosi, Harris, etc. They actually called for violence and stuff. So how can you call for impeachment on Trump but not them?? SD said he holds them all accountable.. good. So if they impeach trump for this.... they should also harris, pelosi and the other political figures. :bop:

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