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Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:06 am
by KEN W
Once upon a time, the Republican Party stood for: trade without tariffs, Christian family values, a strong Russian defense, bipartisanship, and condemnation of corruption.

Alan Dershowitz, Trump’s lawyer, proclaimed; “Republicans should buy into the proposition that abuse of power is acceptable, even to rig an election or to betray our national security interests.:eyeroll: :eyeroll:

During an interview at last month's World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, when asked about ending Medicare and Social Security, Trump said, “At some point they will be on my agenda!” How can anyone who receives either of these be in favor of this guy??? Why would you want to have your throat slit?

Tragically, the American people have watched Trump and his Republican Senate sycophants dismantle the Constitution that protects Americans of all faiths and ethnic groups who will always insist that no one is above the law in America.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:41 am
by Chuck Smith
Once upon a time, the Republican Party stood for: trade without tariffs, Christian family values, a strong Russian defense, bipartisanship, and condemnation of corruption.


Ken they still stand for much of this.
1. The Trade tariffs are needed now especially against China. Since they are stealing/selling our patents to the next bidder. Look at what happened with Yeti vs Ozark Mountain, Rtic coolers, etc. China ran a production line of Yeti. Then ran another one to the next bidder with Yeti's specs. Or they tweeked them just a little. Or ask Nikon (I read they are going under) or many many other manufactures. So the tarrifs hopefully make these companies come back to the USA and make the products here.... But with the minimum wage increase pushes around it might be a far cry for that to happen.

2. They still believe in those values. But the sad part is those values are shifting.

3. Look at the sanctions put on Russia by Trump. He has done more than previous two administrations. But yet people still spew he is a Russian asset... :puke:

4. I agree with you on this Bipartisanship... but so does the Dem's and other elected officials need to be on that wagon as well. In our politics of today we see one side give and the other doesn't. It is finally the Republicans starting to stand their ground... Hence why Trump got elected.

5. They are trying to clean up some corruption going on... Looking into Bidens and other's Ukranian deals. Looking into the FISA abuses... Looking into the FBI abuses.... etc.

I totally agree with you about the that Dershowitz quote. That isn't acceptable at all. But I would also like to know what he stated before and after that? Because if he is referring to looking into corruption even if it happened to be someone running for a nomination... it should be looked into. Just like what happened with Biden. Not saying he did anything wrong (because it is getting investigated now). But his past dealings seemed shady. But again.. I don't agree that people should abuse power to RIG an election. Like ordering a DOssier :poke:

The medicare/social security one is an issue for sure. I would like to see exactly what Trump is thinking. Is he trying to cut some people off who are abusing the system? Is he looking to have more checks and balances in the system? Is he looking to cut medicare fraud? Lots of questions that are in the air on this one. Just need to see what comes of it.

But you are correct..... Both Political parties are shifting big time. Which is horrible for this country. It is also horrible that each one seems they want to divide instead of bring people together. They would rather fight than find common ground.

Like I have stated over and over and over.... No matter what political spectrum you find yourself in... YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY.... Because about 40% lean left, 40% lean right, 10% are in middle and could go either way, and 10% are independent. So no matter what spectrum you are in you are a minority in your ideology. SO that is why they need to work together to govern ALL not just your political spectrum you fall in. :bop:

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:52 am
by Chuck Smith
Ken...

I will go as far as to say... THE MEDIA HATES THIS COUNTRY. Yes all of the mainstream.

Here is an example of MSNBC...

This morning I couldn't sleep so was watching some of the "Morning Joe" show. Joe was going off about the Roger Stone saga that is going on right now. How his sentencing is getting lowered. He went off on the DOJ, BARR, TRUMP, etc. He goes off and they had clips and tweets ready to show and then says.... DONT SHOW THEM... They are lying. WHAT!!!!! Show the clips... then give your opinion. But without anyone seeing the clips they cant make up their own mind if people are lying or not. Joe wants you to do what he says.... the media wants to control how you think.

We need to see what is coming down the pipe on this one for sure. Because the Prosecutors are quitting left and right. IS there something coming down the line with some of the possible internal investigations. Is it going to come to light these guys did some stuff wrong? Or was following someone's orders to keep pushing? Or are they just ticked and think Barr is over reaching.... WE DONT KNOW YET. Time could explain a lot on this one. We got the FISA abuse stuff and other FBI issues. Did they force his testimony and what not? We don't know. :bop:

But yet the Media is in an up roar and doesn't let things play out.... THIS IS ALL THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:59 am
by north1
Republicans/Conservatives have spent the better part of the last 4 administration's totaling over 30 years capitulating and trying to get along. Where has it got us? Children are still being slaughtered in record numbers. 2nd amendment rights have been eroded. I have farm equipment that won’t run and costs $$$$ to fix because of faulty emissions crap added to it. Country unity and the constitution has continually been under attack and at times purposely targeted. I could add much more to the list but it is clear the left wants it their way or the highway. I’m through capitulating. I am through and taking a stand. They want to take any more of my rights away or force their lunacy on me they can pound sand.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:45 am
by dakotashooter2
I'm still waiting to hear how he rigged an election. Did he bring in illegal voters? Did he alter the election results? Did he stop eligible voters from voting? Did Russians come over here and strongarm people into voting one way or another? What he did was make public, factual information that was provided to him by an outside source. Information that if the media had discovered it first ( which they may have but chose not to make public), under most condition would have become public and no one would have cried election tampering. The ONLY reason it is being called tampering is because it came from a foreign source and not a domestic one. The info would be the same, have the same importance and have the same end result either way. Isn't one of the goals in an election period to provide as much valid information as possible about a candidate so the voters are well informed before they make their choice? That's all that happened and the dems are angry that it bit their candidate in the arse.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:33 pm
by KEN W
Yes......the problem is on both sides. But when hasn't it been?? Not for as long as I have been alive, And it won't change. The only remedy is to get rid of guys like Trump and Bernie Sanders. But unfortunately those will most likely be our choices in November. :eyeroll:
As I heard 1 voter in New Hampshire say....." I would rather a meteor hit the planet than vote for Trump"

The media doesn't hate the country. Their job is to be confrontational and report things that make headlines.. That's what gets viewership. We just have to understand that it will always be that way. Every news channel and all the local news report disasters, killings,scandals.....almost all negative. Forces us to take sides. Fox News is way over on the right and MSNBC is way over on the Left. CNN is kind of in the middle so that is what I watch most of the time.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:04 pm
by Plainsman
I disagree with your thoughts on the media Ken. It isn't only Trump they are 90% negative on conservative values, especially family values and constitutional values. Second amendment and freedom of speech first come to mind.

It's ironic you mentioned family values since the left has so little. Murder the unborn, and same sex marriage undermines family values, especially Christian family values.

Let me make one glaring mistake. Trump didn't say anything about Medicare, it was Medicade.

Also the only link to the Russians and our election is the false dossier. Oh that's right, that was the Democrats.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:55 pm
by Chuck Smith
I also disagree with Ken about the media....

Look how they cant say one good thing at all about Trump. They tore down all of his trade deals.... USMCA, JAPAN, Phase 1 with China. They called the terrorist a "scholar". They cant give him credit on the jobs outlooks and economy. They keep screaming INVESTIGATE and RUSSIA... when just like what plainsman stated about Russia... it was the Dem's who sought and got interference in the form of the Dossier. They go off on Trump firing of Vindman…. He admitted to LEAKING.... Why wouldn't he get fired. It is why the military is looking into him for possible legal issues.

I just read that Barr is willing to Testify infront of the Judiciary committee. So we will see what happens and what will come to light about this whole issue with Stone... among other things.

How about how the intel committee wont even talk about what the IG found about FISA abuses. Schiff isn't calling anything to look at, make corrections, etc about all the IG findings. Whose head is in the sand on this one. Or who doesn't want to right the wrong???

Again I will say that both political parties are to blame for lots of stuff. But some are trying to extend the olive branch and work together. The other keeps wanting investigations or not even try to right wrongs. :bop:

Edit:

Read this in politico.. “Nancy Pelosi hosted a special speaker’s meeting on Tuesday with a top Obama economics adviser to explain to Democrats why the economy isn’t actually as strong as Trump claims, and how they can message that to voters”

So instead of her doing her Job and coming up with a Budget proposal to counter Trumps.... she is seeking to try and undermine and possibly spread falsities. GREAT WORK SPEAKER. :puke:

If she wanted to go after Trump... go after him for not trying to balance anything and spending issues. I have yet to see his budget but hope it has some cuts in it on spending. Only time will tell. But that is where she and the Dem's should go after him. Instead of undermining his accomplishments.... go after him for his unkept promises and counter with how you would do his work for him...ie: CUT SPENDING.... but I know that isn't in the vocabulary of Dem's. :poke:

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:26 pm
by KEN W
When you are saying "they" Are you including Fox News? They are in love with Trump. Shawn Hannity is totally far right, he is blind to anything else. He and Trump have been in the same bed for almost 4 years. :eyeroll: :eyeroll: :eyeroll:

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:35 pm
by Canuck
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Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:55 pm
by Plainsman
I forget the negative vs positive coverage of Trump/FOX. Something like 40/60 if I remember. Now if you want to talk bias 94/6 neg/pos truly shows bias. That disparity doesn't pass the smell test. Liberals whine about FOX, but they are the only real news outlet. Mainstream are simply an arm of the demonic party. Also I'm not just calling names. Who do they think they will spend eternity with after murdering 60 million unborn? Liberals are for abortion, many would legalize drugs, they want God out of the schools, courts, public places, they are for gay marriage, gay pastors, and currently against free speech and the second amendment. Today they do unspeakable things and have no shame. Not every Democrat is a bad person, but nearly every bad person is a Democrat. Ask criminals in prison who they would vote for. Ask the members of North American Man Boy Love Association that want sex with children who they would vote for. Ask yourself these question and is anyone willing to be complicit with their vote.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:48 am
by Sasha and Abby
Spot on Plainsman...

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:38 am
by speckline
Bam, head shot right there :thumb:

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:00 am
by Chuck Smith
When you are saying "they" Are you including Fox News? They are in love with Trump. Shawn Hannity is totally far right, he is blind to anything else. He and Trump have been in the same bed for almost 4 years. :eyeroll: :eyeroll: :eyeroll:


Because Fox news is doing what the CNN, MSNBC, etc are doing to Trump with anyone slanting left. Hanity, Tucker.... you I cant watch them because they are so slanted it isn't even funny. Tucker about 2 years ago was more centrist now he is right and almost right of right. They are way too pro TRUMP.

Like when some of the stuff breaks... they scream innocence instead of a "wait and see". The MEDIA should be "wait and see". They should REPORT on what are some of the findings are and then say.... "waiting for more info to come forward". But the problem is that the politicians are falling for this BS. Because look how Schiff, Shummer, etc. Right at any break comes running out and give "bombshells"..... then the second half of the day refutes those "bombshells". Then the whole LEAKING that is horrible and only gives what the media wants. Plus to behonest…. how much of the "leaks" are real. Lets put it this way.... the Bolton book leak. It was someone who heard it from someone who read it. So it wasn't the actual person who read it. You see how things can get distorted. But with the book we still need to wait and see what gets printed. :bop:

Plainsman..... you are correct that people at Fox will say bad things about this president. Look how he lashes out at them and how others call for people to be "Canceled" on Fox because they give some push back. You don't see that on CNN, MSNBC, etc.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:33 am
by Chuck Smith
If you don't believe the media is the issue lets look at some of the things that have happened that are not getting much press.

All are from this week or 10 days or so ago.

1. A man drives into a Republican voter registration tent injuring 6 people..... haven't see it on MSN Website
2. 34 year old Man assaults a 15 year old boy who was wearing a MAGA hat.
3. A California GOP headquarters was vandalized
4. A 50 year old man was punched in the face because someone mistook his read hat for a MAGA hat.
5. The two on campus events where a person was calling for all Trump supporters to have their throats slit.
6. Study came out that the USA has dropped emmisions by almost 3% since leaving the Paris Accord.
7. Finding the extra supplies in Puerto Rico that were left to rot since the last natural disaster relief sent to them.
8. The Jury Bias possibility in the Stone case.
9. Jussie Smollete getting charged.... it was non stop coverage when it was thought "Trump supporters" did it.

These things are not on any MSN website. I found all my information on Twitter and other news sources. If the rolls were reverse in many of these things you would see up roar on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, etc. Yet crickets.... Why is that... do they want to distort the truth and not let all the facts get out so people can be informed. Isn't news supposed to inform people. You mentioned about the "shock" value most news outlets are looking for.... well... How about the first 5 I have up there... death threats, injuries, assaults, etc. Those all have "shock" value.

This has been going on since Bush was in office. It is the cultural norm to "blame republicans" or to shed a negative light on Republicans or anyone who is conservative. It was popular to blame Bush (he did have things to be blamed for... but they did it for everything... and still are.) Then when Obama came into office.... if anyone said anything negative about it... they got called RACIST. Now well look at Trump... even worse than with Bush. He has done some good things... jobs, economy, value of the dollar increasing, tax cuts (subjective by some but most like having more money in there pocket), trade deals, on going trade deals, ISIS almost eliminated (is a resurgence but will always be...also Obama helped to eliminate many of ISIS leaders as well :thumb: ), etc. Yet you don't hear much about these. You hear of them trying to find negatives in these. Like Pelosi having a meeting with the caucus to find away to show that "trumps economy" isn't as strong as he says to help the people running for president. REALLY....sure shows that they are Country first thinking... :puke:

Ken... I don't want this to sound like I am attacking you at all. Just trying to get some of the facts out there that many are not seeing.

EDIT:

Just read on twitter so take it with a grain of salt.... but it is coming to light that they found 3 or more leakers in the Depart of Millitary… or some other official office. One of them they think is possibly ANONYMOUS.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:11 pm
by Plainsman
Chuck I think one of the reasons they don't want Sanders is because they want a woman, or a black, or better yet a black woman. They want this for the simple reason that when they push a far left radical agenda and we don't like it they can start their name calling of racist, sexist, or both and the coward republicans will smile and let it happen.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:58 am
by KEN W
Here is an exact description of Trump......

“Never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.”

So where are these quotes from?.......A Psychological Analysis of Adolf Hitler: His Life and Legend” by Walter C. Langer.

Again, this screams of Trump

Take advantage of every opportunity to raise a political whirlwind. Every time we hear of something he has done or said that looks bad, he tries to divert our attention away with something else. Often times these diversions are out right lies. It’s like the magician who tricks you into watching one hand while the trick is being preformed by the other hand.

Trump has never done anything is his adult life that wasn’t designed to make him money. For him, being president is no different. So like a good magician, while Trump has his left hand on your shoulder, he’s reaching into your pocket with the right hand.

This a guy so far to the right that he mimics Nazi leader Hitler. And Republicans blindly follow him instead of REALLY looking at what kind of President he is. :poke: :poke:

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:24 pm
by north1
You just described Bill and Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Mike Bloomberg and a whole lot of other politicians. I am sure you can add other Republicans to that list as well. It’s not that they are desirable traits mind you. It’s the ends to the means that is the most important attribute or indicator. Does he support slaughtering the unborn or the unwanted just born? Is he proposing or taking away your unalienable rights as an American citizen? Your rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Removing or replacing religion as a foundation to the formation of those rights?

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:40 am
by KEN W
Sorry.....What I said is far rIght description....Over with the Nazi's and white supremacist. The people you are talking about are on the left. More toward socialism. Every thing I said is exactly Trump the clown prince.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:43 am
by Plainsman
If the left cared for this country would Obama have said he would fundamentally change this nation? If the left cared for the constitution would Obama have said it was a hindrance to progress? I don't remember that last statement exactly, but it was a complaint about the constitution. Many on the left try convincing everyone that it's a living document that should change often. I think Obama's statement is an open complaint that he didn't like America as is, but would change if to be closer to his desired. We now have a socialistic form of health care as full evidence, and many on the left openly admitting the are socialists. Still they are hidding their true desire which is communism. If they get their way farmers would no longer farm their own land. They will farm the same land, but as government employees on a set salary. Will they still work 16 hour days at harvest? There goes productivity. Russia has a huge land area, and half the population of the United States, but they sure imported a lot of North Dakota wheat in the past. Why????

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:00 am
by Plainsman
The National Socialist German Workers' Party, commonly referred to in English as the Nazi Party, was a far-right political party in Germany that was active between 1920 and 1945, that created and supported the ideology of National Socialism. Its precursor, the German Workers' Party, existed from 1919 to 1920. Wikipedia
This is from Wickipedia. Do you see anything wrong with it? I think we all agree that communism is far left, and it's sister socialism is snuggled up to it's right side. So they say that the Natzi party was the National Socialist German Workers Party, but it was far right. Socialist and right???? That is the left leaning Wickipedia thinking were stupid. Dig deeper into history, and don't be a lemming. Notice another statement above. It created and supported the ideology of national socialism.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:21 am
by Chuck Smith
If you truly want to look at history....

Look what happened in the media. They pushed the narrative big time for Hitler. Who is driving the narrative in the USA?

The MEDIA... They are saying only negative things about Trump, they are trying to push division between people, they are the ones "lying" or saying "NON CONFIRMED" sources, they are not taking back what they say, they are jumping the shark on things and not doing actual reporting (gossip and run with it is what I call it), etc.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:47 am
by KEN W
We have had this discussion before.....You can call your party anything you want. These countries say they are Democratic. They aren't. Nazis are far right. That's Hitler. And the quote was about Hitler.....Far right. The things stated, accurately describe Trump.

Algeria People’s Democratic Republic of Algeria 117/167 Authoritarian regime
Ethiopia Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia 124/167 Authoritarian regime
Laos Lao People’s Democratic Republic 157/167 Authoritarian regime
North Korea Democratic People’s Republic of Korea 167/167 Authoritarian regime
Nepal Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal 105/167 Hybrid regime

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:19 pm
by Plainsman
Wrong the socialists own the Natzi name
I would never have brought it up, but since it became part of the conversation I'll set this record straight.

As for the other countries their name is deceptive I will agree. Your not saying America compares to North Korea are you? Your not saying socialism is better are you?

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:36 pm
by KEN W
Wrong......

This argument has been used to attack socialism through association with Nazi policies. It has also led to confusion, as Nazism is normally associated with fascism and far-right-wing views. That's Trump.

The issue of whether the Nazis were socialists isn’t a straightforward one, due to how the Nazi party developed and grew its base of support. But the consensus among historians is that the Nazis, and Hitler in particular, were not socialists in any meaningful sense.

Socialism is on the left with the far left being Communism.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:09 pm
by Plainsman
I'll stick to the Nazi were socialist. For the other part all I can think is you see a democratic republic as the same as North Korea etc. However they are communist and closely like socialism, not a real democratic republic. I don't really understand your point.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:38 pm
by north1
Far right in our time frame does not equate murdering Jews, political dissidents and homosexuals. It does not mean striping constitutional rights from citizens. It doesn’t pertain to performing abortions and medical experiments on Jews, political dissidents or homosexuals. In fact it seems to me it is quite the opposite scenario. Everything I just listed is the complete antithesis of who I am and support politically. I consider myself right of current Rhino/establishment Republicans. So are you calling me a Nazi?

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:42 pm
by KEN W
My point is that Trump is on the far right. And above I quoted a historical book naming all the things they have in common.That is the same as Hitler. Sanders is on the far left. Same as Communist Russia, China, and Cuba. Stalin,Castro etc. I don't like either of them. Just hope someone other than Sanders or Warren gets the nomination. And can knock Trump out of office.......4 years of him are to many.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:46 pm
by KEN W
north1 wrote:Far right in our time frame does not equate murdering Jews, political dissidents and homosexuals. It does not mean striping constitutional rights from citizens. It doesn’t pertain to performing abortions and medical experiments on Jews, political dissidents or homosexuals. In fact it seems to me it is quite the opposite scenario. Everything I just listed is the complete antithesis of who I am and support politically. I consider myself right of current Rhino/establishment Republicans. So are you calling me a Nazi?


Trump is ruining the Republican party. Maybe you aren't that far right. Then a moderate Democrat would be a whole lot better. Your choice to make.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:15 pm
by north1
There is no such thing as a moderate democrat. There hasn’t been one since maybe Clinton and even that is a stretch. IMHO you have to go back to JFK. Moderate democrat=unicorn.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:23 am
by KEN W
OK.....Where did I say you did those things???? I repeat....this is what I said.

Here is an exact description of Trump......

“Never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.”

So where are these quotes from?.......A Psychological Analysis of Adolf Hitler: His Life and Legend” by Walter C. Langer.

Also....You are saying there are no moderate Democrats.... I am not on the far left. just as I didn't say YOU were on the far right. I said Trump is.

The abuse Democrats are constantly getting on here gets real old. We are not baby killers as you guys say over and over again. :eyeroll: :eyeroll:

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:59 am
by north1
I should have been more clear. There are no moderate democrat political candidates for moderate democrats to vote for. To be clear the Democratic Party platform is pro abortion. This is indisputable.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:45 am
by Plainsman
My point is that Trump is on the far right.
:rollin: Ken I'm getting worried about you having those hallucinations. Trump had been democrat. He even contributed to the Clintons. Today he is right in the middle between democrat and republican. Since taking office he has slid far enough right to actually be considered a republican now. I am further right than Trump is and I consider myself on the political sale about 7.5 out of a 1 to 10 with commies being a 1. If were truthful guys like Rush Limbaugh are only an 8 on that scale.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:54 pm
by KEN W
north1 wrote:I should have been more clear. There are no moderate democrat political candidates for moderate democrats to vote for. To be clear the Democratic Party platform is pro abortion. This is indisputable.


Sorry but that is not true. Our own Senator Amy Klobachar is a moderate Democrat. I sure hope she gets the nomination. I think she is probably the only one who can take out Trump. :bop: :bop:

Same with Collin Peterson. He actually should be a Republican. He is a Democrat on the right side. The only Democrat in the House to vote no on impeaching Trump.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:38 pm
by north1
Sorry but I do not agree. She has been considered strongly liberal throughout her career. She looks like a moderate democrat in more recent times due to the fact the democrat party has moved so far left. When compared to Bernie Sanders, AOC, Omar, etc. yes she is more moderate. I do agree Peterson is a moderate democrat, but he is a minority of the minority.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:23 pm
by KEN W
No problem, we just see some things differently. :thumb:

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:30 pm
by Plainsman
Well I don't think it's worth disagreeing about Klobechar because she doesn't have a chance. Same with Biden. He is getting frantic and today he said he is for open borders and didn't get that done because Obama is to far right. :rollin:
Bernie is going to win and democrats are messing their diapers because they know he will loose. Chris Mathews is going bonkers. He said if Bernie wins Trump will take 49 states.
Now some democrats say we should stop health care for the elderly. Also a number of states are introducing assisted suicide bills. Guess what------they are all Democrat bills. Is it any wonder that those who would kill children would not respect the life of adults too?

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:10 am
by Chuck Smith
Here is the issue.....

I will agree with Ken and say that Trump is like Nazi germany when it comes to NATIONALISM.... he is putting his country first. It is what exactly the same thing Hitler did in Germany. It is also exactly what many far right and the NAZI, Skinhead, etc groups in the USA are saying and promoting.... NATIONALISM... ie: our country first mentality. Then those groups fly off the handle after that... Other than nationalism stance of Trumps.... Trump isn't a "Nazi" by any means.

People want to say he is racist.... HE IS NOT. Lowest black/Hispanic unemployment, prison reforms, trying to work on immigration... LEGAL IMMIGRATION... etc.

People take his building a wall as "racist"... it isn't it is trying to stop the influx of illegal immigration and the major source.... Canadian border isn't seeing the flood like the southern border. At the southern border they nabbed Chinese last week trying to enter... they have nabbed people the middle east... etc. yes those are people of different ethnic back grounds... but those are the people trying to enter illegally. That isn't racist it statistics.

Ken...

I agree that if Amy would get the nod it would be better. But personally she hasn't done good things while in office. You are a recent "implant" in MN... but she has done some stuff on the national level that wasn't good for MN. MN mining especially in the north... killed jobs, devastated towns and communities, etc. That is just 1 of many things she has been on the wrong side of. Some of her votes on things that helped push some companies out of MN because of taxes and other issues. Like I said her voting history isn't the greatest.... She pretty much votes party lines. Which honestly if you are a presidential canidate you shouldn't... IMHO. This will show you are for the "whole" not just "part" of the country. Plus she is leaning more and more socialist as the debate trail has moved on. I am afraid she is thinking she needs to shift that way to get the nomination.... WHICH SHE SHOULDN'T!!! But I digress on that.

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:47 pm
by KEN W
The Russians are trying to get Sanders the Democratic nomination. Why???Because they figure he is the weakest nominee and can't beat Trump. So they are also helping Trump. :eyeroll: :eyeroll: :eyeroll:

Re: Proof the right hates this country

PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:42 pm
by Plainsman
Since socialism is the smaller twin sister of communism a communist country is always going to favor it's own. I think this falls somewhere between Obama's statement that Russia can't do anything, and the Democrat hybrid of chicken little and the boy who cried wolf.

I'm not happy that some states are going to an app to vote. It begs for misuse. Perhaps thats the plan. I suspect we will get a better count out of Iowa as soon as they devise a way to shaft Bernie.

Logic dictates that any enemy of the United States isnt going to help a person who proclaims "America First".