What am I doing wrong?

omegax · guest Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 626 Location: Fargo, ND

So, I FINALLY got out and shot the Remington Genesis I got such a good deal on last spring. I'm contemplating waiting and filling my doe tag with it, but we'll see...

Here's the deal: This is the first time I've ever fired any muzzleloader at all, not just this one, and about half of my shots required me to fire another primer to actually go off. One time it was that I didn't have the bullet seated all the way (lesson learned), but the other times I have no clue. I was using 100 grains of Blackhorn 209, and Remington Kleenbore primers. The times it didn't go off, I waited quite a while before flipping open my breech block to seat another primer. How long did I need to wait, and was it something I was going, or did my brand new bottle of powder somehow get moisture?

I felt like such a doofus... I should have gotten the bugs out when nobody was around.

Sabotloader · Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:42 pm Post subject:

omegax

omegax · guest Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 626 Location: Fargo, ND

That makes me feel a little better, I guess... It's not like the guy I was talking to at Scheel's knew that either.

I bought both the Blackhorn and the Kleanbores because I was under the impression that they were both about the cleanest way to get the job done. If I pick up different primers, am I going to have to worry about cleaning more? Also, will the Kleanbores work better with T7 pellets? I bought the Blackhorn 209 because I had heard people raving about it, but I don't see any harm in buying some pellets to make my own comparison, in addition to buying some different primers to use with the Blackhorn. Any preferences between the Federal 209A or CCI 209M?

Sabotloader · Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject:

omegax

alleyyooper · guest Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 612 Location: Michigan

I agree stop useing the Kleanbore primers they are only a slight help if you are useing T7 powder to stop the crud ring. I also wonder why you would try T7 pellets when you are already measureing loose BH209. Loose T7 is cheaper to shot by a long shot over BH 209 and a bity over pellets.
Bet if you switch to either the federal 209a'S or the CCIm primers your problems go away.

Al

omegax · guest Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 626 Location: Fargo, ND

I was thinking about the pellets just because I am so new, I wanted to see for myself if the convenience was worth the extra cleaning. However, when I think about the number of people who think loose powder is the way to go, I'm either going to give the Kleanbores away (once I figure out if the Federal or CCI primers fix my problem) or try loose T7. It's like the old saying: 50 Million Elvis fans can't be wrong.

Sabotloader · Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:25 pm Post subject:

omegax

If you make the move to T7 the Kleenbores will work just fine. I use an old Remington 209-4 - a primer designed for 410 shotgun shells...

alleyyooper · guest Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 612 Location: Michigan

Help!!!! some on explain how pellets are more convenet?

Al

darkgael · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:59 am Post subject: pellets

Pellets - premeasured, can't spill them. Just drop'em down and seat the projectile (at least that's the theory)
I know that it's harder to find - almost impossible in some places - and if you are not going to shoot a lot then buying multiple pounds by mail order doesn't make sense - BUT real black powder ignites more easily than any of the substitutes. I use it exclusively now (have used Pyrodex, T7 extensively). Cleaning - no more of a chore than cleaning up after any muzzleloading session.
Pete

maximini14 · guest Joined: 19 Dec 2007 Posts: 53

I agree that you probably have blockage of the flash hole. If this was a new gun, there may have been packing grease plugging the flash hole. A thorough cleaning of barrel and flash hole should have been done befor initial firing of gun.

I doubt the rem primer was the problem, they are plenty hot enough. Also, Black Horn recommends the use of standard 209 primers. We're you using The Rem 209 for muzzleloaders?

Firing primers prior to loading will help remove blockage of flash hole, but I always use a flash hole cleaning tool ( fine stainless steel piece of wire) to poke thru the flash-hole to insure it is clear.

Finally, black horn recommends the use of standard petroleum based solvents to clean a firearm when using BH209. Did you use water at any time as this would cause gelling when in contact with BH209 residue.

good luck

striped1 · guest Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 213

snap a few primers before loadiing to completely dry barrel after cleaning.

Give triple 7 pellets a try. so much easier to produce repeatible results.